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Slarvax on 06 June 2017
potato_hamster said:
Goodnightmoon said:

This is just hilarious, despite the fact that gamefreak does this every gen your level of reasoning is so blinded by the need to see what you want to see that you can't even see things as they are. Can't wait to see what kind of excuses you make in the future when someone remembers you this post.

Gamefreak does this every gen? Go ahead. Remind me when they ported Pokemon Stadium series to the  Gameboy Color? Or when they ported Pokemon Colosseum to the DS? How about when they ported Pokemon Battle to the 3DS?

What's that? Never happened? In fact it appears that the mainline Pokemon games have appeared exclusively on Nintendo's mainline portable consoles, and the Pokemon Spin-offs like Stadium, Snap, Pokken Tournament etc. only appear on home consoles. This trend continues with the latest announcement.

It's as if Gamefreak, like Nintendo, is treating the Switch like a home console first and foremost. Imagine that.

So when Nintendo ported Yoshi's Woolly World and Mario Maker to the 3DS, they considered it the Wii U's successor?



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Kai_Mao on 06 June 2017
Nuvendil said:
irstupid said:

We were not expecting a ton of resources. We were expecting a Sun/Moon clone just with resolution upped. That shoudl in no way take a year to do and not an unreasonable request.

Some may praise Nintendo for not half assing something, and doing what we wanted above. But in this case, we wanted a half assed update. Obviously we want a full fromt eh ground up made new pokemon game for the Swtich, but while we waited we wanted our Wind Waker/Twilight Princess HD to hold us over. Or our Stars.

The issue is unlike WW and TP, Sun and Moon lack the basic polygonal complexity to just slap some HD textures on and call it a day.  Plus I guarantee that engine is not designed for any HD features at all and would be a terrible candidate for that approach.  It would look spectacularly bad and potentially run like hot garbage.  And to the outside gaming world, it would look like the cheapest port in history.  There's no way they would do that to their brand in transition to the Switch.  

People are complaining about "oh another port" with Pokken, but what you suggest would be a far worse case of that.  Besides, they have their big gun for the Holiday period.  No sense putting Pokemon there too.  Save it for an important slot in 2018.

And the Switch is hard to get as it is. Splatoon 2 hasn't even come out yet but it's bundle sold out in seconds or minutes. You have that, then Mario Odyssey along with MHXX? That's enough eggs for a one year basket. Let Pokemon do its thing along with Fire Emblem within the next couple of years.



potato_hamster on 06 June 2017
Goodnightmoon said:
potato_hamster said:

Gamefreak does this every gen? Go ahead. Remind me when they ported Pokemon Stadium series to the  Gameboy Color? Or when they ported Pokemon Colosseum to the DS? How about when they ported Pokemon Battle to the 3DS?

What's that? Never happened? In fact it appears that the mainline Pokemon games have appeared exclusively on Nintendo's mainline portable consoles, and the Pokemon Spin-offs like Stadium, Snap, Pokken Tournament etc. only appear on home consoles. This trend continues with the latest announcement.

It's as if Gamefreak, like Nintendo, is treating the Switch like a home console first and foremost. Imagine that.

Man, this is gonna be so embarrasing for you when they announce Pokemon Stars or something similar next year. But I can't wait.

Why would that be embarassing for me?  I've never said Nintendo won't do that in fact I've said Nintendo should, many times. I'm just reminding myself of Nintendo's tendancy to do what Nintendo does, and you keep ignoring it.

Just so we're clear: If Nitnendo does announce Pokemon Stars, and a more portable Switch, great! it's nice that they've finally abandoned some of their old ways of thinking, and are trying to fully support the Switch, rather than trying to gouge consumers on two platforms for no good reason outside of greed. If Nitnendo does announce a 3DS sucessor, then it's business as usual from Nintendo, and I'll keep reminding myself that Nintendo doesn't do what makes sense.

You're the only one that has to eat a shit sandwich here if you're wrong, because you're convinced it's impossible. You're ruling out possibilites, and I'm not.



EricFabian on 06 June 2017
Slarvax said:
potato_hamster said:

Gamefreak does this every gen? Go ahead. Remind me when they ported Pokemon Stadium series to the  Gameboy Color? Or when they ported Pokemon Colosseum to the DS? How about when they ported Pokemon Battle to the 3DS?

What's that? Never happened? In fact it appears that the mainline Pokemon games have appeared exclusively on Nintendo's mainline portable consoles, and the Pokemon Spin-offs like Stadium, Snap, Pokken Tournament etc. only appear on home consoles. This trend continues with the latest announcement.

It's as if Gamefreak, like Nintendo, is treating the Switch like a home console first and foremost. Imagine that.

So when Nintendo ported Yoshi's Woolly World and Mario Maker to the 3DS, they considered it the Wii U's successor?

Capcom also ported MHXX to Switch, so is Switch is like a home console and a handheld. Shocking right?



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Soundwave on 06 June 2017
potato_hamster said:
Flilix said:

A new handheld would be a complete failure. The Switch is like a handheld but with better games and more ways to play.

The only thing that would make people buy this handheld rather than a Switch, are the games and the price (but I think that Nintendo will release a Switch without the dock and maybe also without HD rumble, which will be a lot cheaper).

The Switch is still too big and has too terrible of a battery life to be a truly portable system, and as you said, the price is a big challenge. The dock and HD rumble are two of the cheapest parts of the Switch, so that wouldn't make a big difference in price.  If Nintendo a made new portable console, they can ditch the joycons, make the unit smaller, increase the battery life,  lower their production costs, and thus lower the price.  All they need to do is keep their core portable franchises as portable exclusives and tens of millions of people will buy it. If they make it incompatible with Switch cartridges, they can sell millions more copies of games as their fans would undoubtedly double dip (as people are claiming this is Nintendo's reason for not annoucing a Switch version of Pokemon Sun/Moon at this time). Nintendo has a habit of encouraging their fans to double dip, and their fans have a habit of obliging. That's a big cash cow that I don't think Nintendo is willing to abandon.

Look, I'm not saying Nintendo should do this. I think Nintendo should make a more portable Switch and call it a day. However, this is Nintendo we're talking about. Nintendo isn't known for doing the obvious, and you cannot rule out any possibilities. It would be very Nintendo for Nintendo to launch a 3DS successor that is incompatible with the Switch, and it shouldn't come as a surprise to you if they do.

Switch is fine as a portable. 

2DS/3DS is for 9-year-olds who want something more than tablet games. Which is fine. It's a small sub-set market that Nintendo can make a few bucks off of. 



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0D0 on 06 June 2017
Darwinianevolution said:
The best news is the Silver/Gold VC ports. And that says a lot.

Yes. The only good news for me.



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Goodnightmoon on 06 June 2017
potato_hamster said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Man, this is gonna be so embarrasing for you when they announce Pokemon Stars or something similar next year. But I can't wait.

Why would that be embarassing for me?  I've never said Nintendo won't do that in fact I've said Nintendo should, many times. I'm just reminding myself of Nintendo's tendancy to do what Nintendo does, and you keep ignoring it.

Just so we're clear: If Nitnendo does announce Pokemon Stars, and a more portable Switch, great! it's nice that they've finally abandoned some of their old ways of thinking, and are trying to fully support the Switch, rather than trying to gouge consumers on two platforms for no good reason outside of greed. If Nitnendo does announce a 3DS sucessor, then it's business as usual from Nintendo, and I'll keep reminding myself that Nintendo doesn't do what makes sense.

You're the only one that has to eat a shit sandwich here if you're wrong, because you're convinced it's impossible. You're ruling out possibilites, and I'm not.

Nice, a game you can't lose, the favourite of people with no confidence at all in what they are saying. And nobody believes you, looking at your historial nothing would please you more than Nintendo fucking it and its fans being wrong.



shoichi on 06 June 2017

Right now it seems Pokemon Company/GameFreak (they are separate from Nintendo) is taking the 'wait and see approach'.

I thought I remember the same reasoning for them making B&W 2 for the DS rather than for the 3DS. Which is because the userbase on the DS was a lot larger than the 3DS at the time. Now the same goes for the Switch where the 3DS has a huge lead in player base compared to the Switch, and likely wouldn't help with the supply constraints the Switch seems to have right now.

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edit: found the quote

The primary goal is to get as many people as possible able to play the game. With the Nintendo DS, it's the handheld hardware system that the most people in the world have. Those who played Black and White may not have a 3DS, but they definitely played on a regular DS.

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2012/09/ever_wonder_why_pokemon_black_and_white_2_isnt_on_the_3ds

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I do believe 'Stars' morphed into US & UM as some people will likely still buy both versions rather than one (ala Platinum, Emerald, etc.). The next generation of Pokemon likely will be released on the Switch in say a year or two after the supply issues disappears and the userbase grows. IMO there will be no future 'handheld' dedicated system like the past for Nintendo. 

Now I see why Nintendo had solid projections for the 3DS still for 2017, because of this series of games.



potato_hamster on 06 June 2017
Slarvax said:
potato_hamster said:

Gamefreak does this every gen? Go ahead. Remind me when they ported Pokemon Stadium series to the  Gameboy Color? Or when they ported Pokemon Colosseum to the DS? How about when they ported Pokemon Battle to the 3DS?

What's that? Never happened? In fact it appears that the mainline Pokemon games have appeared exclusively on Nintendo's mainline portable consoles, and the Pokemon Spin-offs like Stadium, Snap, Pokken Tournament etc. only appear on home consoles. This trend continues with the latest announcement.

It's as if Gamefreak, like Nintendo, is treating the Switch like a home console first and foremost. Imagine that.

So when Nintendo ported Yoshi's Woolly World and Mario Maker to the 3DS, they considered it the Wii U's successor?

Ohh yes, the Wii U successor that was released before the Wii U. Totally sensible argument. You got me there.

Nintendo never claimed the 3DS was a home console. They have, however, claimed it was a portable console many times. 
Nintendo never claimed the Wii U was a portable console. They have, however claimed it was a home console manu times.

Can you guess what they claim the Switch is? They're treating the Switch primarily as a home console. This is obvious. They've ported Wii U after Wii U game franchise to the platform from Zelda, to Mario Kart to Pokken Tournamant to Splatoon the list goes on. Meanwhile portable franchises keep getting announced for the 3DS instead of the Switch.

There is no evidence that Nintendo intends on replacing the 3DS with the Switch. It just seems like an obvious move. Nintendo's actions however, appear to indicate that this may not be in Nintendo's plans as obvious as it might seem to you or me. Again, I'm not saying this is going to happen. This 100% has everything to do with how Nintendo chooses to communicate information. They could quite easily nip this in the bud very quickly in one sentence that they have intentionally avoided saying when asked directly.




potato_hamster on 06 June 2017
Goodnightmoon said:
potato_hamster said:

Why would that be embarassing for me?  I've never said Nintendo won't do that in fact I've said Nintendo should, many times. I'm just reminding myself of Nintendo's tendancy to do what Nintendo does, and you keep ignoring it.

Just so we're clear: If Nitnendo does announce Pokemon Stars, and a more portable Switch, great! it's nice that they've finally abandoned some of their old ways of thinking, and are trying to fully support the Switch, rather than trying to gouge consumers on two platforms for no good reason outside of greed. If Nitnendo does announce a 3DS sucessor, then it's business as usual from Nintendo, and I'll keep reminding myself that Nintendo doesn't do what makes sense.

You're the only one that has to eat a shit sandwich here if you're wrong, because you're convinced it's impossible. You're ruling out possibilites, and I'm not.

Nice, a game you can't lose, the favourite of people with no confidence at all in what they are saying. And nobody believes you, looking at your historial nothing would please you more than Nintendo fucking it and its fans being wrong.

No confidence? I have every bit of confidence in Nitnendo's tendancy to make bizarre decisions. But that's the thing about bizarre decisions, they're incredibly hard to predict. The only thing predictable about Nintendo is that they are unpredictable. If you want to ignore that, that's on you.