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Worst President the US has ever had?

Donald Trump 65 47.45%
 
Donnie Tinyhands 4 2.92%
 
Grabher [by the pu**y] 13 9.49%
 
President "I have the best words" 7 5.11%
 
Covfefe 48 35.04%
 
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vivster on 01 June 2017
DarthMetalliCube said:

Obviously I don't deny climate change.

But man made climate change? Jury is very much still out. We're mere specs on this massive planet. The planet has been going through HUGE shifts and natural cycles in climate in its 4.5 billion year history. Hell, even in the last thousand years, we've had a mini ICE AGE, following the medieval warming period where temperatures far exceeded what the currently are. (I got my degree in history and this isn't just some made up conspiracy, it's fact). Of course now, we are now going through another period of warming, but we're WELL within the boundaries compared to some of the extremes of the past. The man made climate change thing is a ploy to enforce carbon taxes, which is just another way for the powers that be to take more money from the public, in addition to control/regulate industry and land in developing countries. 

Now I'm not saying it isn't possible that humans could be having a slight effect on the climate, but it seems to me most WAY overestimate our impact, and politicians and business interests use this mass hysteria for political and financial gain.. People just seem to LOVE the idea that they're so much more impactful in the grand scheme of things than we really are. 

To conclude, I'll just leave this here.. 

It's very simple, really.

Opponents of the theory are giant corporations who would benefit greatly from the abolishment of environmental friendly legislation. Proponents are scientists who gain nothing from it and some companies who make a living from environmental friendly products which is tiny compared to the opponents.

Denying climate change that is real would have dire consequences for everyone(exept the richest people of course). Supporting climate change that is not real would have next to no negative consequences.

Opponents are all backed by corporations who would benefit from it, proponents are the vast majority of scientists, some of which are backed by companies but a lot of which are not.

It's really easy to decide which side to back here, regardless of how real man made climate change is. People say that climate change proponents are driven by money but they ignore how much more driven their opponents are.

Also, did I mention objective scientists? I better mention it again. Objective fucking scientists.



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Mystro-Sama on 01 June 2017

It would be so fucking sad if it happened.



Barozi on 01 June 2017
DarthMetalliCube said:

Obviously I don't deny climate change.

But man made climate change? Jury is very much still out. We're mere specs on this massive planet, being heated by a much, much, MUCH more massive sun. The planet has been going through HUGE shifts and natural cycles in climate in its 4.5 billion year history. Hell, even in the last thousand years, we've had a mini ICE AGE, following the medieval warming period where temperatures far exceeded what the currently are. (I got my degree in history and this isn't just some made up conspiracy, it's fact). Of course now, we are now going through another period of warming, but we're WELL within the boundaries compared to some of the extremes of the past. The man made climate change thing is a ploy to enforce carbon taxes, which is just another way for the powers that be to take more money from the public, in addition to control/regulate industry and land in developing countries. It's also a bit of a joke because Carbon tax doesn't PREVENT industries from emission CO2, it just gives "hand outs" so to speak for those with deep enough pockets. So in other words, many industries would still be emitting CO2s..

Now I'm not saying it isn't possible that humans could be having a slight effect on the climate and recklessly cranking out tons and tons of pollution is probably not a great idea, but it seems to me most WAY overestimate our impact, and politicians and business interests use this mass hysteria for political and financial gain.. People just seem to LOVE the idea that they're so much more impactful in the grand scheme of things than we really are. 

Even if this crap was true, China FAR exceeds us in pollution/CO2 emissions. Maybe let's worry about them first..

To conclude, I'll just leave this here.. 

lol China is far far below the US in carbon dioxide emissions per capita.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions_per_capita

A comparison of absolute numbers is meaningless when you can't comprehend that China has 4.2 times the population of the US. Guess who's emitting even more carbon dioxide? The world! How dare they're not doing anything against that....

Besides, last time I checked China is at least trying.



LadyJasmine on 01 June 2017

Imo I think countries can do things at least to protect land and waterways and curb suburban development and move to other forms of energy.

I dont have faith in Carbon taxes to change people behaviour, think its more a scam by govt to take money from people.



Lafiel on 01 June 2017
DarthMetalliCube said:

Even if this crap was true, China FAR exceeds us in pollution/CO2 emissions. Maybe let's worry about them first..

yes, they do and they invest hundreds of billions to change that - btw in the last 100 years USA is still by far the top CO2 polluter in the world

I'll just leave this here:



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Scisca on 01 June 2017

The worst President ever - hard to judge, as I don't know your Presidents from earlier than the XXth century. But in this period it's undeniably Carter. Nobody comes close to that clown.


Trump is wise here. USA is gearing up to fend off China challenging you for World dominance. You know, the biggest challenge USA has faced in its entire history (far greater than the Cold War or 2nd World War). You simply cannot afford luxurious bullshit like bleeding money for ecoterrorists or Obamacare. Face the music, see what's going on in the World and understand that it's not that Trump is bad, it's just that with your economy YOU CAN'T AFFORD IT. And being a businessman, he makes the right move without regrets. Respect that and be grateful for once, what he's doing is the reason you're gonna enjoy the wealthy life you're gonna live in the future.



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StarOcean on 01 June 2017
Scisca said:
The worst President ever - hard to judge, as I don't know your Presidents from earlier than the XXth century. But in this period it's undeniably Carter. Nobody comes close to that clown.


Trump is wise here. USA is gearing up to fend off China challenging you for World dominance. You know, the biggest challenge USA has faced in its entire history (far greater than the Cold War or 2nd World War). You simply cannot afford luxurious bullshit like bleeding money for ecoterrorists or Obamacare. Face the music, see what's going on in the World and understand that it's not that Trump is bad, it's just that with your economy YOU CAN'T AFFORD IT. And being a businessman, he makes the right move without regrets. Respect that and be grateful for once, what he's doing is the reason you're gonna enjoy the wealthy life you're gonna live in the future.

Mm no, it's Trump. 



Cubedramirez on 01 June 2017
VGPolyglot said:
Stefan.De.Machtige said:

That's exactly right. It's not about facts, but about feeling good and poor for the small fry and making bank for the big elite.

Yes, but remember that Donald Trump is part of the big elite. He has their interests in consideration, as he's one of them.


Regardless of his status, he made the right choice with the greatest positive impact on the lower classes. The elites hate him, they always have. If he was apart of their group think mindset this would have been nothing else than a rubber stamp. Same with TPP and other economic policies that would have hurt everyone below the investment income class out there. 



VGPolyglot on 01 June 2017
Cubedramirez said:
VGPolyglot said:

Yes, but remember that Donald Trump is part of the big elite. He has their interests in consideration, as he's one of them.


Regardless of his status, he made the right choice with the greatest positive impact on the lower classes. The elites hate him, they always have. If he was apart of their group think mindset this would have been nothing else than a rubber stamp. Same with TPP and other economic policies that would have hurt everyone below the investment income class out there. 

Sigh I don't know how to deal with you if you really think he's going to help the middle class against the elite, when he's part of the elite and his actions in the past do not indiciate at all that he'd all of a sudden make a 180.



Cubedramirez on 02 June 2017
SpokenTruth said:
Cubedramirez said:


Regardless of his status, he made the right choice with the greatest positive impact on the lower classes. The elites hate him, they always have. If he was apart of their group think mindset this would have been nothing else than a rubber stamp. Same with TPP and other economic policies that would have hurt everyone below the investment income class out there. 

So he spends his entire life shitting on the poor and middle class and he suddenly wants to be their savior?

It's not about being a savior. This is what's wrong with discussing Trump with people who have an emotionally charged opinion against him. 

The deal required the US to cut emissions -  fine.
The deal also required America to fund developing countries infrastructure to change into green energy - issue: America would use ta payer dollars to fund projects around the world all while reducing our economic output at home to meet these requirements. 
India and China are two of those developing countries that would receive billions from the US to upgrade their infrastructure; oh and NEITHER have any requirement to cut any emissions even though China is the world’s largest polluting entity and India's rate of increase in Co2 emissions will have it surpass the US by 2020 - WTF?! No!

This deal does nothing for the environment outside of make the US pay for a stimulus around the world while punishing it which would impact low and middle income communities more than anyone else in this country. If you cannot see how God awful this deal is, then not only are you intellectually dishonest but blind as a bat. 

He stated he wanted to renegociate the deal. The EU said no. If this was really about the evnironment and not pollitics everyone would be eager to renegociate to ensure everyone is in agreement.