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Forums - Nintendo Discussion - Final Upadate! [Switch vs Wii] Breath of the Wild vs Twilight Princess Sales Comparison + BotW already over 10m combined

RolStoppable said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:
BotW slaying TP by so much shows also how much more accepted by gamers the Switch is compared to the Wii back in the day imo

It doesn't.

All it shows is that Breath of the Wild does a much better job at meeting the market's expectations for Zelda. In BotW you have freedom from the get-go, in TP you went through a slow start and fetch quests.

If you make a superficial sales analysis like you did (a.k.a. cherry-picking), it can be easily argued that Wii was much more accepted by gamers than Switch, because Wii had million-selling third party games faster (obviously only refering to game types that fall into the category of "accepted by gamers" without a doubt).

May I ask you what games you are talking about?

Because as far as I know, it took the Wii over a year to get it's first third party million sellers, and Switch ain't that old yet



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Bofferbrauer2 said:
RolStoppable said:

It doesn't.

All it shows is that Breath of the Wild does a much better job at meeting the market's expectations for Zelda. In BotW you have freedom from the get-go, in TP you went through a slow start and fetch quests.

If you make a superficial sales analysis like you did (a.k.a. cherry-picking), it can be easily argued that Wii was much more accepted by gamers than Switch, because Wii had million-selling third party games faster (obviously only refering to game types that fall into the category of "accepted by gamers" without a doubt).

May I ask you what games you are talking about?

Because as far as I know, it took the Wii over a year to get it's first third party million sellers, and Switch ain't that old yet

Red Steel and Resident Evil 4 immediately come to mind. I don't think giving Switch another six months would change anything, because no third party game is close to passing one million yet.

More importantly though, that only served as an example of cherry-picking facts to support a desired conclusion, so don't approach this from an angle of determining which console was more accepted by gamers. What counts as a gamer already comes with subjective interpretations and what counts as evidence also comes with subjectivity.

My real stance on this matter is that such a question only exists in the first place because a group of disgruntled third parties and gamers couldn't stomach the Wii success and were looking for anything to diminish its success. So the biggest change I see between Wii and Switch is that the Sony console that is on the market at the same time isn't getting its ass kicked, therefore there is less of a need to lash out at Nintendo which in turn creates a more favorable perception of Switch, because it doesn't have to deal with the bullshit that was thrown at the Wii.



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RolStoppable said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

May I ask you what games you are talking about?

Because as far as I know, it took the Wii over a year to get it's first third party million sellers, and Switch ain't that old yet

Red Steel and Resident Evil 4 immediately come to mind. I don't think giving Switch another six months would change anything, because no third party game is close to passing one million yet.

More importantly though, that only served as an example of cherry-picking facts to support a desired conclusion, so don't approach this from an angle of determining which console was more accepted by gamers. What counts as a gamer already comes with subjective interpretations and what counts as evidence also comes with subjectivity.

My real stance on this matter is that such a question only exists in the first place because a group of disgruntled third parties and gamers couldn't stomach the Wii success and were looking for anything to diminish its success. So the biggest change I see between Wii and Switch is that the Sony console that is on the market at the same time isn't getting its ass kicked, therefore there is less of a need to lash out at Nintendo which in turn creates a more favorable perception of Switch, because it doesn't have to deal with the bullshit that was thrown at the Wii.

Ubisoft announced one million sold only by end of 2010 for Red Steel. Can't count this as an example.

Resident Evil 4 was a huge hit and the other consoles (save the PS2) didn't have their version at that time yet. That's as if DOOM wouldn't come out on the PS4/XBO until 2019

With examples like this, it looks more like you are either cherrypicking or remembering some things slightly wrong. Btw the first third party game on the Wii to break over 1M sales was Guitar Hero 3, followed by Sonic And The Secret Rings and RE4. Had you picked the first two out of the three here, and I would have accepted that argument without any fuss.

About my "desired conclusion", frankly wtf? Eine schamlose, rüpelhafte Unterstellung nenn ich das.

Both Zeldas got very highly praised by gamers and press alike (basically same level, though TP suffered years later, but not at launch), and both consoles sold about the same until week 45 as far as we know right now. So what is the reason for you that BotW is selling so much better than TP? I thought it would be because less of the console buyers where previously non-gamers and thus a higher portion of the console holders would be interested in some more complex games like Zelda than it was with the Wii



Bofferbrauer2 said:

Ubisoft announced one million sold only by end of 2010 for Red Steel. Can't count this as an example.

Resident Evil 4 was a huge hit and the other consoles (save the PS2) didn't have their version at that time yet. That's as if DOOM wouldn't come out on the PS4/XBO until 2019

With examples like this, it looks more like you are either cherrypicking or remembering some things slightly wrong. Btw the first third party game on the Wii to break over 1M sales was Guitar Hero 3, followed by Sonic And The Secret Rings and RE4. Had you picked the first two out of the three here, and I would have accepted that argument without any fuss.

About my "desired conclusion", frankly wtf? Eine schamlose, rüpelhafte Unterstellung nenn ich das.

Both Zeldas got very highly praised by gamers and press alike (basically same level, though TP suffered years later, but not at launch), and both consoles sold about the same until week 45 as far as we know right now. So what is the reason for you that BotW is selling so much better than TP? I thought it would be because less of the console buyers where previously non-gamers and thus a higher portion of the console holders would be interested in some more complex games like Zelda than it was with the Wii

Um, yes. I explicitly told you that I am cherry-picking to support a conclusion. It looks like cherry-picking because that was my goal.

As for Zelda, critical acclaim and gaming forum chatter don't mean anything in the big picture. The reason why Breath of the Wild is besting Twilight Princess is that BotW is trickling down to the common man, the people who don't care about reviews and gaming forum opinions. Even Skyward Sword had critical acclaim and gaming forum praise, but its sales lagged far behind TP. That's not because of who owned the console, but rather the failure of the game. SS is incredibly linear and puzzle-heavy whereas The Legend of Zelda actually built its strong reputation on freedom and combat. Similarly, Metroid: Other M was a commercial failure regardless of who owned the console because the game was an outright betrayal of what Metroid stands for.

You can actually go back to the beginning of this very thread here and see me say why Breath of the Wild will pummel Twilight Princess in sales. Breath of the Wild is a much, much better Zelda than Twilight Princess. The Wii brought back gamers who owned Nintendo consoles before. They bought Twilight Princess because it was called The Legend of Zelda, but word of mouth wasn't particularly kind because it didn't really match what those people expected from Zelda. Breath of the Wild is getting much better traction because those people who have returned to Nintendo again are very positive about it. Long term sales are heavily dependent on word of mouth and BotW beats TP comfortably in that category. You can go wherever you want and do what you want; you aren't funneled through episodes of catching light bugs.



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Updated with weeks 41 and 42!

Zelda BotW is a full 2m ahead of Zelda TP now! And the gap will only grow in the next 2 weeks (christmas).



Bet with Teeqoz for 2 weeks of avatar and sig control that Super Mario Odyssey would ship more than 7m on its first 2 months. The game shipped 9.07m, so I won

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LipeJJ said:
Updated with weeks 41 and 42!

Zelda BotW is a full 2m ahead of Zelda TP now! And the gap will only grow in the next 2 weeks (christmas).

Thank you for your work :) I took the data and made two graphs out of it. Hope that is ok with you.

Pretty insane how BotW is just getting more and more ahead of TP.



BotW is going to become the best Zelda seller.
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Marth said:
LipeJJ said:
Updated with weeks 41 and 42!

Zelda BotW is a full 2m ahead of Zelda TP now! And the gap will only grow in the next 2 weeks (christmas).

Thank you for your work :) I took the data and made two graphs out of it. Hope that is ok with you.

Pretty insane how BotW is just getting more and more ahead of TP.

Great work man, love your graphics! 



Bet with Teeqoz for 2 weeks of avatar and sig control that Super Mario Odyssey would ship more than 7m on its first 2 months. The game shipped 9.07m, so I won

LipeJJ said:
Updated with weeks 41 and 42!

Zelda BotW is a full 2m ahead of Zelda TP now! And the gap will only grow in the next 2 weeks (christmas).

Fyi not sure if you know we got official numbers

 

By end of year...

 

NSW 6mil sold 6.7mil ship+digital

WiiU 1.5mil ship+digital

 

Total 8.2mil ship+digital



tbone51 said:
LipeJJ said:
Updated with weeks 41 and 42!

Zelda BotW is a full 2m ahead of Zelda TP now! And the gap will only grow in the next 2 weeks (christmas).

Fyi not sure if you know we got official numbers

 

By end of year...

 

NSW 6mil sold 6.7mil ship+digital

WiiU 1.5mil ship+digital

 

Total 8.2mil ship+digital

I know, but thanks for the reminder. Updating the thread.



Bet with Teeqoz for 2 weeks of avatar and sig control that Super Mario Odyssey would ship more than 7m on its first 2 months. The game shipped 9.07m, so I won