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StarDoor said:
DonFerrari said:

I am more on the 2 out of 4 (GBA was basically a tie with PSP and 3 out of 5 with Switch until it outsell if it does the PSP), for the first try of Sony it was quite good.

Full PS5 game? What about a scale down? If PS2 could run Fifa versions of PS4 and Switch can run PS4 games, why can't we have a scalability that would run on the portable.

Hahaha, so you call PSP being behind GBA by 700k a tie, which you then count as a win? And then you consider Switch not having passed 80M in its first 8 months as a win for PSP as well?

why not?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Wyrdness said:

PSP was successful due to factors like piracy though the biggest killer app for PSP wasn't any game it was home brew which is why software sales in the west were dreadful as people would rip games put them on memsticks and sell them on ebay with the homebrew software, PS1 games like FF7 were running on PSP years before any official announcement and release. In the end it wasn't competing on its own merits but an exploit people were using this is a big reason Vita fell off so hard because Vita ended up having the same problems competing only this time the was no homebrew scene to save it

I doubt the impact of piracy on PSPs success. According to VGC, PSP sits at currently 292 million sold games and 81 million sold units. That are 3.6 games per unit. PS Vita is at 61 million sold games and 15.7 million sold unit, making it 3.9 games per console. So Vita has not much higher attach rate than PSP, despite PSP being hackable. Homebrew is always a thing for a minority.



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DonFerrari said:
StarDoor said:

Hahaha, so you call PSP being behind GBA by 700k a tie, which you then count as a win? And then you consider Switch not having passed 80M in its first 8 months as a win for PSP as well?

why not?

Wii beat most PlayStation consoles. It beat PS3, it tied with PS1 (which is basically a win,) and PS4 isn't even close to 101 million yet.

Last edited by StarDoor - on 03 November 2017

DonFerrari said:

Quite funny your argument. Basically you are favoring my point, considering all the million sellers of DS and 3Ds the sales is quite concentrated.

I love how when anything Sony does is sucessfull it isn't never Sony merit. We are done talking.

Except no one said anything about non PSP success you're just in a defensive mind set so you think Sony is being attacked when truth is PSP's success wasn't anything of their own merit hence why the Vita crashed and burned.



StarDoor said:
DonFerrari said:

why not?

Wii beat most PlayStation consoles. It beat PS3, it tied with PS1 (which is basically a win,) and PS4 isn't even close to 101 million yet.

So far it's true =]

SpokenTruth said:
DonFerrari said:

From what I remembered only half the Nintendo HH sold considerably over PSP and the others didn't.

But sure my memory betrayed me and the "most" was wrong.

Fair enough.  PSP and GBA were close.  GBA at 81.51 million (3 years before successor launched) and PSP at ~80 million (6 years before successor launched).  Sony hasn't given a final official number that I know of.  The Gameboy and DS were obviously higher and the 3DS is probably not going to sell the ~10 million needed to hit 80 million.  I suspect 2-3 million short.

And I put that just to counter the "moderate" success. If it sold so good compared to the big success of Nintendo, then the platform itself was sucessfull, but so far there is no question about Nintendo never really being challenged on their 1st position. But to deny Sony sucess on PSP isn't good as well.

Wyrdness said:
DonFerrari said:

Quite funny your argument. Basically you are favoring my point, considering all the million sellers of DS and 3Ds the sales is quite concentrated.

I love how when anything Sony does is sucessfull it isn't never Sony merit. We are done talking.

Except no one said anything about non PSP success you're just in a defensive mind set so you think Sony is being attacked when truth is PSP's success wasn't anything of their own merit hence why the Vita crashed and burned.

Yeah yeah sure, we can always find excuses to make the failures be the faulty of others and the merits our own and vice-versa.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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DonFerrari said:
StarDoor said:

Wii beat most PlayStation consoles. It beat PS3, it tied with PS1 (which is basically a win,) and PS4 isn't even close to 101 million yet.

So far it's true =]

SpokenTruth said:

Fair enough.  PSP and GBA were close.  GBA at 81.51 million (3 years before successor launched) and PSP at ~80 million (6 years before successor launched).  Sony hasn't given a final official number that I know of.  The Gameboy and DS were obviously higher and the 3DS is probably not going to sell the ~10 million needed to hit 80 million.  I suspect 2-3 million short.

And I put that just to counter the "moderate" success. If it sold so good compared to the big success of Nintendo, then the platform itself was sucessfull, but so far there is no question about Nintendo never really being challenged on their 1st position. But to deny Sony sucess on PSP isn't good as well.

Wyrdness said:

Except no one said anything about non PSP success you're just in a defensive mind set so you think Sony is being attacked when truth is PSP's success wasn't anything of their own merit hence why the Vita crashed and burned.

Yeah yeah sure, we can always find excuses to make the failures be the faulty of others and the merits our own and vice-versa.

In your defence, I think it is unfair not to give credit when credit is due. Sony's PSP was a success and it was entirely to Sony's merit.

Whatever users intended to do with their PSP, over 80 million units were sold of it.



guiduc said:
DonFerrari said:

So far it's true =]

And I put that just to counter the "moderate" success. If it sold so good compared to the big success of Nintendo, then the platform itself was sucessfull, but so far there is no question about Nintendo never really being challenged on their 1st position. But to deny Sony sucess on PSP isn't good as well.

Yeah yeah sure, we can always find excuses to make the failures be the faulty of others and the merits our own and vice-versa.

In your defence, I think it is unfair not to give credit when credit is due. Sony's PSP was a success and it was entirely to Sony's merit.

Whatever users intended to do with their PSP, over 80 million units were sold of it.

And probably had several different reasons that each buyer bought, Multimedia and piracy probably had a considerable impact but we don't really can reduce to one or another.

And thanks for the defense =]



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Nintendo better have some huge Switch stock lined up for Black Friday to Christmas to bridge these remaining gaps.



zygote said:
Nintendo better have some huge Switch stock lined up for Black Friday to Christmas to bridge these remaining gaps.

With an outlook of 14M, it practically guaranteed that that they will have enough stock for at least 6M for the last quarter, otherwise they can't achieve that number anymore unless they sell like 4M in spring.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
zygote said:
Nintendo better have some huge Switch stock lined up for Black Friday to Christmas to bridge these remaining gaps.

With an outlook of 14M, it practically guaranteed that that they will have enough stock for at least 6M for the last quarter, otherwise they can't achieve that number anymore unless they sell like 4M in spring.

Yep, they shipped ~5 million in the first 2 quarters so they need another ~9 million in the next 2 quarters. Assuming that Q4 is in the 2-3 range like Q1/Q2 were than Q3 will be around 6-7 million.



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