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Goodnightmoon on 14 April 2017
Dr.Vita said:
EricFabian said:

can you name them?

The Wonderful 101
Zombi U
Devil's Third
Project Giant Robot
Project Cars
Watch Dogs
Mass Effect 3 (first entry of this series on a Nintendo console so it counts as a new IP for Nintendo)
Tekken Tag Tournament 2 (first entry of this series on a Nintendo console so it counts as a new IP for Nintendo)
Darksiders 2 (first entry of this series on a Nintendo console so it counts as a new IP for Nintendo)
Batman: Arkham Origins (first entry of this series on a Nintendo console so it counts as a new IP for Nintendo)
Bayonette 2 (first entry of this series on a Nintendo console so it counts as a new IP for Nintendo)
Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem (counts as a new IP cause I think it's the first release on a Nintendo home console)

That are only the games I can think of now. But I am sure that there are much more of them.

What a load of BS honestly,  most of those games are not new IPs at all no matter how much you try to twist it but the worst thing is that you go as far as naming games that never were released to the console like Project Cars and Project giant robot lol

You clearly have no idea of what you are talking about, the only new IPS made by Nintendo themself this gen on WiiU were Splatoon and Nintendoland, they both did great.



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JWeinCom on 14 April 2017
Dr.Vita said:
EricFabian said:

can you name them?

The Wonderful 101
Zombi U
Devil's Third
Project Giant Robot
Project Cars
Watch Dogs
Mass Effect 3 (first entry of this series on a Nintendo console so it counts as a new IP for Nintendo)
Tekken Tag Tournament 2 (first entry of this series on a Nintendo console so it counts as a new IP for Nintendo)
Darksiders 2 (first entry of this series on a Nintendo console so it counts as a new IP for Nintendo)
Batman: Arkham Origins (first entry of this series on a Nintendo console so it counts as a new IP for Nintendo)
Bayonette 2 (first entry of this series on a Nintendo console so it counts as a new IP for Nintendo)
Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem (counts as a new IP cause I think it's the first release on a Nintendo home console)

That are only the games I can think of now. But I am sure that there are much more of 

Ummmm... that's not what new IP means.  The intellectual property refers to the copyright or patented concept, regardless of what media the idea is brought to.  By your definition, I can classify anything as a new IP.  "The Last of Us Remastered counts as a new IP cause it's the first release on the PS4).  But, that's not how IPs work.

http://www.wipo.int/about-ip/en/

That's how IP works.



Dr.Vita on 14 April 2017
Goodnightmoon said:
Dr.Vita said:

The Wonderful 101
Zombi U
Devil's Third
Project Giant Robot
Project Cars
Watch Dogs
Mass Effect 3 (first entry of this series on a Nintendo console so it counts as a new IP for Nintendo)
Tekken Tag Tournament 2 (first entry of this series on a Nintendo console so it counts as a new IP for Nintendo)
Darksiders 2 (first entry of this series on a Nintendo console so it counts as a new IP for Nintendo)
Batman: Arkham Origins (first entry of this series on a Nintendo console so it counts as a new IP for Nintendo)
Bayonette 2 (first entry of this series on a Nintendo console so it counts as a new IP for Nintendo)
Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem (counts as a new IP cause I think it's the first release on a Nintendo home console)

That are only the games I can think of now. But I am sure that there are much more of them.

What a load of BS honestly,  most of those games are not new IPs at all no matter how much you try to twist it and you go as far as naming games that never were released to the console lol

You clearly have no idea of what you are talking about,, New IPS made by Nintendo this gen on WiiU are only Splatoon and Nintendoland, they both did good


So if Nintendo had published games like Zombi U or The Wonderful 101 then they wouldn't flopped?
Why shouldn't al these games count as new IP's for Nintendo, it was the first time they were released on a Nintendo home console.
And  the games that didn't even release (Project Giant Robot) shows again how much of a failure they were on Wii U.




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Goodnightmoon on 14 April 2017
Dr.Vita said:
Goodnightmoon said:

What a load of BS honestly,  most of those games are not new IPs at all no matter how much you try to twist it and you go as far as naming games that never were released to the console lol

You clearly have no idea of what you are talking about,, New IPS made by Nintendo this gen on WiiU are only Splatoon and Nintendoland, they both did good


So if Nintendo had published games like Zombi U or The Wonderful 101 then they wouldn't flopped?
Why shouldn't al these games count as new IP's for Nintendo, it was the first time they were released on a Nintendo home console.
And  the games that didn't even release (Project Giant Robot) shows again how much of a failure they were on Wii U.

If you want to count 2nd party new Ips that flopped then only Wonderful 101 and TMS fits, TMS in particular didn't sold specially bad for a Shin Megami Tensei spin off with no translation outside english and a very limited release, but even if you want to count it as a flop those are 2 games, not a dozen. Also since we are talking about a new ip made by Nintendo (Arms) it makes way more sense to compare it with another new ip made by them like Splatoon instead of comparing it with an Atlus game.

But since you are even naming games that were never released to make your point I think this discussion makes no sense as you completely lack credibility.





EricFabian on 14 April 2017
Dr.Vita said:
EricFabian said:

can you name them?

The Wonderful 101
Zombi U
Devil's Third
Project Giant Robot
Project Cars
Watch Dogs
Mass Effect 3 (first entry of this series on a Nintendo console so it counts as a new IP for Nintendo)
Tekken Tag Tournament 2 (first entry of this series on a Nintendo console so it counts as a new IP for Nintendo)
Darksiders 2 (first entry of this series on a Nintendo console so it counts as a new IP for Nintendo)
Batman: Arkham Origins (first entry of this series on a Nintendo console so it counts as a new IP for Nintendo)
Bayonette 2 (first entry of this series on a Nintendo console so it counts as a new IP for Nintendo)
Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem (counts as a new IP cause I think it's the first release on a Nintendo home console)

That are only the games I can think of now. But I am sure that there are much more of them.

TW101 and Tokyo Mirage are the only new ips in this list that bombed. So you are wrong, again



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curl-6 on 14 April 2017
Pyro as Bill said:
5M low end.

I'm curious, if 5m is the low end in your view, what do you think it will most likely sell?



Dravenet7 on 14 April 2017
Dr.Vita said:
EricFabian said:

can you name them?

The Wonderful 101 - Ok
Zombi U - Correct me If I am wrong, but this sold over a million. That is not a "flop" for a new IP
Devil's Third  - Ok
Project Giant Robot - ... Ok. Please give sales numbers for this noexistant game
Project Cars - Wasn't on Wii U...
Watch Dogs - sure
Mass Effect 3 (first entry of this series on a Nintendo console so it counts as a new IP for Nintendo) - look... no
Tekken Tag Tournament 2 (first entry of this series on a Nintendo console so it counts as a new IP for Nintendo) - you can't be serious
Darksiders 2 (first entry of this series on a Nintendo console so it counts as a new IP for Nintendo) - you are reaching.
Batman: Arkham Origins (first entry of this series on a Nintendo console so it counts as a new IP for Nintendo) - This is not even true...
Bayonette 2 (first entry of this series on a Nintendo console so it counts as a new IP for Nintendo) - These poor excuses are essentially half your list. I hope you know this.
Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem (counts as a new IP cause I think it's the first release on a Nintendo home console) -This actually counts, but not for the reason you concoted.

That are only the games I can think of now. But I am sure that there are much more of them.

So of your list of games, that don't even reach a dozen, only 4, maaaaybe 5, are valid. And saying something like "Lmao Splatoon was the only new IP which was successfully on Wii U. All the other dozen new IP's flopped very hard on Wii U."  while actually negelecting to bring up actual new IP, with some doing very well, in lieu of sequels, a game that is not even on the platform, and a game that does not exist is beyond terrible. 



KLXVER on 14 April 2017

Wii Music did it, so I wouldn't be surprised...



curl-6 on 14 April 2017
Peh said:

Looking back at wonderful 101 which only did 410k lifetime and looked way more promising I will stand by what I said.

Completely different circumstances; Wonderful 101 was a pretty crappy game, with very little in the way of marketing, on a failed console. ARMS already looks like a far superior game, will almost certainly get a much bigger marketing push, and is launching on an attractive system that's selling well.



PAOerfulone on 14 April 2017

Doc. Just stop.

I get that you're huge PlayStation fanboy and that seeing Nintendo doing well and being successful makes your skin crawl, but this is just beyond ridiculous.
You have no leg to stand on here, just admit defeat and stop embarrassing yourself.

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