Forums - Politics Discussion - Betsy DeVos confirmed as Education secretary after Pence breaks 50-50 tie.

Goatseye said:
dahuman said:

More budget in education did not yield in better schools or smarter students to start with, instead of giving the money taken away from school to another set of schools, use the money to fix the fucking homeless situation in the country first, fucktarded ass politicians.

Half of education budget is spent on private contractors.

A good way to reduce homelessness is to give citizens tools to combat it. Like, education.

I'm originally from a country that spends way less budget on public education and when I came to the states at the age of 13, the kids around me were dumb as hell for the most part and didn't know how to do simple math or read/write for shit. I was already past most high school student level in this country when it came to math and science. When I was in high school, only the parents that took actual time and effort on their kids got really good results and went to top schools, it's fucking parenting paired with the right tools, not just about having more budget in a failing education system.



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US middle class is being played for suckers. 

Marco Rubio accepted a $100,000 bribe from the DeVos family, oh wait I'm sorry ... "contribution" from the DeVos family to buy ... oh wait I mean "secure" his vote for her. 

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/marco-rubio-took-almost-100-000-from-betsy-devos-family-before-confirming-her-today-9123691

She is being given this position because she bought Trump by donating several tens of million dollars to his campaign ... oh wait I mean "contributed". 

And why do you think this woman is so keen to have this position? It's not because she's stupid, she's going to rack up huge $$$$ when she helps privatize the US education system so that to get even a decent elementary or junior high or high school education, you are now going to have to pay big $$$$. And lots of people stand to earn big $$$$ from that. 

This is how your politicans are selling people out. It's not enough that most young Americans are drowned with debt from college, now private corporations are going to try and suck people dry just to give their kids a decent grade school to high school education too. And anyone who can't afford that -- get fucked. 



irstupid said:
Hiku said:

In the video I attached (edited in afterwards) Al Franken summarizes a lot facts about Mrs DeVos and why she is a danger to the American education system, if you want to familiarize yourself with her.
The prior Education Secratary (and probably all of them) had a background that prepared them for the job.If a pilot crashes a plane, that is not an argument for putting a toddler in the cockpit, and saying "let's see how it goes before we raise objections."
Franken described her congressional interview as "one of the most embarassing performances by a nominee in the history of the united states senate."

Really? Have me watch a video by Al Franken for info on a republican person? Ha, that has got to be the worst source in the world.

Insidb said:

Thank you for invalidating this and future posts by openly admitting that you will take a stand without any knowledge on the topic at hand.

Can you please tell me about the previous Secretary of Education without looking up anything about him/her.

I bet you can't. I bet all of your current knowledge on this new one is purely from the MSM who is making it their top priority to put her in the worst possible light possible. 

A quick wikipedia search and only reading the first paragraph I find this.   DeVos has been an advocate of the Detroit charter school system and she is a member of the board of the Foundation for Excellence in Education. She has served as chairwoman of the board of Alliance for School Choice and Acton Institute and heads the All Children Matter PAC.

So clearly that no experience thing was a lie. She has experience in school related things. But I guess not everyone can be as experience or qualified as Hillary Clinton. You know what I say about experience and qualification? I say grow up and have a real job. Heck maybe even be in charge of hiring people at some point. You will find out very quickly that what is on a resume or how someone interview goes does not mean jack shit. Heck don't even be in charge of interviews. Just look around at yoru work. Unless your job is some huge turnaround job or low skilled, no employer hires someone they don't think is qualified or will be good. Yet how many morons and incompentent people, or lazy or ect are there at work. Do you ever wonder how the F they got hired? They were clearly QUALIFIED and possilby had EXPERIENCE.

But you will never know until they start working. 

I have no idea who this poster is or what they stand for, but how about we let them do something and ignore their posts.



The best primary and secondary schools in the world are private schools which are usually boarding schools, I don't understand the animosity towards private schools ...

I believe the problem isn't with schools (considering the funding public schools get they should be able to easily afford college level texts) but the problem lies in american students who use so much more yet don't produce results up to match with each asian countries ...



Hiku said:
I want to repeat one last time: Charter schools are FREE.

While that may have been the case for your family, vouchers usually don't cover the whole cost for private schools. What more commonly ends up happening is that they act as additional support for families who could already afford to pay for private school.

In a country where you don't even have tuition free college, you can't seriously expect that all kids will have access to fully funded private schooling.
And for those who can't, they'll be stuck in a defunded, worse, public school. That's not fair.
I mostly grew up in Sweden, and we do have tuition free college. I could pick any school I wanted, anywhere in the country. That's equally fair for every student. Not the system Mrs DeVos has devoted herself to.

On top of that, there's the religious element to this that is very debatable, and the separation of churche and state.
But more importantly is how ridiculously unqualified Mrs DeVos is for the position. If this was someone with a background that had prepared them for this position then the debate would have a very different tone.

No offense, but you just destroyed any and all credibility you have with this statement. You just responded to my comment about charter schools being free with vouchers for private schools, and therefore prove you DO NOT know what a charter school is and should drop this conversation immediately.

C H A R T E R  S C H O O L S != P R I V A T E  S C H O O L S

Please research the topic before trying to rile other people up.



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fatslob-:O said:
The best primary and secondary schools in the world are private schools which are usually boarding schools, I don't understand the animosity towards private schools ...

I believe the problem isn't with schools (considering the funding public schools get they should be able to easily afford college level texts) but the problem lies in american students who use so much more yet don't produce results up to match with each asian countries ...

That's not what's happening here. 

See my post above. You think they are bribing senators like Rubio with money for milk and cookies? 

No. In the USA, education is becoming increasingly a for-profit big business. Huge business actually. Billions of dollars of profit to be made. By gutting the public school system and forcing people to have to pay for even elementary to high school, there are lobbyist groups that are backing DeVos that stand to make billions of dollars. 

Just like the US college system, in which to get a decent degree, most kids end up going into monstrous debt that are paying off until their 30s in many cases, and that debt carries interest charges which equate to huge profit for someone. 



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Soundwave said:

That's not what's happening here. 

See my post above. You think they are bribing senators like Rubio with money for milk and cookies? 

No. In the USA, education is becoming increasingly a for-profit big business. Huge business actually. Billions of dollars of profit to be made. By gutting the public school system and forcing people to have to pay for even elementary to high school, there are lobbyist groups that are backing DeVos that stand to make billions of dollars. 

Just like the US college system, in which to get a decent degree, most kids end up going into monstrous debt that are paying off until their 30s in many cases, and that debt carries interest charges which equate to huge profit for someone. 

The US spends a total of at least around $11700 on average for each student! That's enough to fund a year in university but the kicker here is we're doing it for 12 years instead of 4 ... (If anything I think we need to cut school funding and focus on the academic essentials. That means gutting gyms, the humanities, the arts, maybe some other extracurriculars, social sciences, and remedial level classes.) 

The problem isn't funding, the problem is that the US has bad curriculum and low quality students. Emulating the model that east asians use is the best bet since it's their style is the most cost efficient and it produces results. 

There's lot's of affordable colleges in the US, kids need to stop fantasizing about getting into the Ivy Leagues or similar and you wouldn't have to worry so much about debt if you picked the right field of study LOL ...



DeVos shouldn't have this position... not because she's not qualified for it, but because the Department of Education should be closed permanently, like so many of the failing school systems and education programs it oversees. It was created in the waning days of the Carter administration and just adds yet another layer of wasteful bureaucratic spending. How did we ever get along without the DoE prior to 1980?



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fatslob-:O said:
Soundwave said:

That's not what's happening here. 

See my post above. You think they are bribing senators like Rubio with money for milk and cookies? 

No. In the USA, education is becoming increasingly a for-profit big business. Huge business actually. Billions of dollars of profit to be made. By gutting the public school system and forcing people to have to pay for even elementary to high school, there are lobbyist groups that are backing DeVos that stand to make billions of dollars. 

Just like the US college system, in which to get a decent degree, most kids end up going into monstrous debt that are paying off until their 30s in many cases, and that debt carries interest charges which equate to huge profit for someone. 

The US spends a total of at least around $11700 on average for each student! That's enough to fund a year in university but the kicker here is we're doing it for 12 years instead of 4 ... (If anything I think we need to cut school funding and focus on the academic essentials. That means gutting gyms, the humanities, the arts, maybe some other extracurriculars, social sciences, and remedial level classes.) 

The problem isn't funding, the problem is that the US has bad curriculum and low quality students. Emulating the model that east asians use is the best bet since it's their style is the most cost efficient and it produces results. 

There's lot's of affordable colleges in the US, kids need to stop fantasizing about getting into the Ivy Leagues or similar and you wouldn't have to worry so much about debt if you picked the right field of study LOL ...

The thing is none of this is about the education system, really. 

Like what the hell is a person like DeVos even interested in a relatievly benign post like secretary of education so much so that she's willing to bribe senators to vote for her? 

This is about money, plain and simple. There are people who see a big market in charging money for elementary to high school, why not, colleges make a fortune. 

Imagine how much money could be made for a select few if you gut public education so badly that "avearge Americans" feel like they have to pay for charter/private schools. Big, big, big money. 

And for the parents that can't afford private/charter schools -- too fucking bad for you.  Why suck people dry for education just when they're 18 when you can start to bleed them dry right from 1st grade. It's smart business actually. Completely unethical and morally gross of course, but smart business and typical dirty politics.