onionberry said: Mystat said:   Because you said "the misinformation on this post is mindblowing, first the tegra is the best mobile chip out there," A iPhone 7 is actually 220 $ to manufacture (http://fortune.com/2017/01/09/apple-airpods-app/) The Apple A9X Chip (that outperforms the Tegra x1 in every benchmark with significant less enegery consumption) is ~40$ to make (http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/12/02/how-much-does-the-apple-a9x-cost-to-make.aspx) Others then iPhones, consoles are often sold at almost non profit at launch: (https://www.engadget.com/2013/11/19/ps4-costs-381-to-make-according-to-hardware-teardown/) So iPad Pro level of performance is easily achievable at reasonable costs for a console. Please educate yourself before claiming "the misinformation on this post is mindblowing". The misinformation was about the tegra and nvidia being bad tech when they are one of the best developing mobile chips and about "the first and only time being important to the mainstream market" when they already did that with the ps3 and their chips are better than AMD, so I don't even know what the fuck your point is. Yeah there are better chips than the tegra, until the next tegra and then we will have better chips than the next tegra, that's how tech works buddy.

 

The next tegra isnt out yet and according to rumours wont be used in the switch. Keep in mind the X1 in the switch will also be significantly downclocked (according to eurogamer). A Ps4 comapreable graphics cars achieves ~500 FPS in the trex 1080p offscreen benchmark. The Shield console with full clockspeed switch achieved 120. So in comparison the tegra chip is weak. It also consumer up to 35 wattage which is ridiculous for the performance. Apples A10Fusion chip achieves similar performance (107 fps int trex 1080p) at ~7 Wattage. The Tegra chips really arnt impressive and Nvidia never was a leader in the mobile ARM SOC market. Something like the new 10nm Snapdragon is way more promising then the next 40 wattage tegra chip. Your right about nvidia beeing used in other consoles though.

Mystat said: onionberry said: The misinformation was about the tegra and nvidia being bad tech when they are one of the best developing mobile chips and about "the first and only time being important to the mainstream market" when they already did that with the ps3 and their chips are better than AMD, so I don't even know what the fuck your point is. Yeah there are better chips than the tegra, until the next tegra and then we will have better chips than the next tegra, that's how tech works buddy.   The next tegra isnt out yet and according to rumours wont be used in the switch. Keep in mind the X1 in the switch will also be significantly downclocked (according to eurogamer). A Ps4 comapreable graphics cars achieves ~500 FPS in the trex 1080p offscreen benchmark. The Shield console with full clockspeed switch achieved 120. So in comparison the tegra chip is weak. It also consumer up to 35 wattage which is ridiculous for the performance. Apples A10Fusion chip achieves similar performance (107 fps int trex 1080p) at ~7 Wattage. The Tegra chips really arnt impressive and Nvidia never was a leader in the mobile ARM SOC market. Something like the new 10nm Snapdragon is way more promising then the next 40 wattage tegra chip. Your right about nvidia beeing used in other consoles though.

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Mr.GameCrazy said: Mystat said: So, how much PSVR units have been sold? Just curious.

almost every unit sony made so far with the psvr beeing sold out for 3 months in a row.

I was also blown away by aliens space marine and no mans sky, this doesn't say much lol

We'll see how that turns out.

Mystat said: onionberry said: Nicr edit there buddy, your imagewas about the iphone 6s vs the tegra. Also, why are you trying to compare $600-$800 products to $200-$300 products, ignoring the fact that theres huge price gap, let's say that tegra is second best and a huge competitor compared to the expensive powervr tech on iphones.   Because you said "the misinformation on this post is mindblowing, first the tegra is the best mobile chip out there," A iPhone 7 is actually 220 $ to manufacture (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/09/23/apples-iphone-7-costs-just-220-to-make/) The Apple A9X Chip (that outperforms the Tegra x1 in every benchmark with significant less enegery consumption) is ~40$ to make (http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/12/02/how-much-does-the-apple-a9x-cost-to-make.aspx) Others then iPhones, consoles are often sold at almost non profit at launch: (https://www.engadget.com/2013/11/19/ps4-costs-381-to-make-according-to-hardware-teardown/) So iPad Pro level of performance is easily achievable at reasonable costs for a console. Please educate yourself before claiming "the misinformation on this post is mindblowing".

One particular reason why A9X is so cheap to make, are manufacturing contracts for huge number of identical chips. Secondly, we're likely talking about cost range that's half of the A9X. Were talking about a 250€ device, that's most likely more complex hardware than the tablets and smartphones.

What's most important, isn't if Ipad Pro level of performance is achievable and to what price, but how long the performance can be attained. When you have general purpose devices like smartphones and tablets, they need the maximum performance only momentarily, whereas games consoles are supposed to be used at maximum performance the whole time they're used. This is why undocking is supposed to drop the clockspeed to a half. The top performance not only drains the battery, but also overheating the battery has huge effect on it's performance - and eventually it's lifetime. 

I don't see what PS4 costs have to do with the topic?

Remember when Nvidia said the RSX in the PS3 will blow you away? this is just typical nvidia hype talk

Mystat said: Mr.GameCrazy said: So, how much PSVR units have been sold? Just curious. almost every unit sony made so far with the psvr beeing sold out for 3 months in a row.

Which is how much exactly?

RolStoppable said: Mr.GameCrazy said: Which is how much exactly? Under 1m.

Huh. So, it's not really successful, then?

Naum said: What? someone says something positive about the Swich?...How dare they!! this can't be true.

Well, he is the CEO of the company behind the hardware in the device, he is not an impartial commentor, not even a little bit. It's like someone trying to sell you a car telling you it's the fastest car in the world, why would they lie about that? Oh yeah... to sell the car.