You act like what elected Trump wasnt an electoral college rather than popular vote. You can't claim that is democracy's fault when you don't have a democratic system.

Also, feel free to tell us wich system you would prefer, because monarchy and dictatorship ain't much better.

1. I'm talking about around the country, not New York and California. Unfortunately you don't win an election just by appealing to the states that breed liberals.

2. You give Obama credit for things he has no real influence. 21 million got insured through higher premiums for working people and ridiculous penalties, Obamacare is unpopular for a reason. Obama got in after a market crash, so again he could only benefit from jobs going up but U-6 numbers don't look great for him. Gays getting married is fine with me and I actually like some of the changes he made to healthcare, its the Obamacare thing I don't like. You're really giving him credit for Bin Laden? Yeah, whatever. I think much of the country was ready to bail on Obama, they didn't even want the person Obama spiritual successor.

I'm not really defending Trump, its just evident dems are looking for any excuse to attack Trump. It seems like Noah was drinking more Trump kool-aid than actual supporters. Again, looking at polling even Trump supporters aren't expecting to get everything he promised. But Noah seems surprised by this.

I don't believe that Sanders would win, but i agree he would have been a better candidate.

Still, this is a cultural problem happening all over the world, it is hardly fault of the DNC, rednecks or even Trump. Trump administration will surely intensify the problem during the next years, but for now he just took advantage of something that was already happening.

That said, electoral college is just a detail/excuse. The guy still received 63M votes, and that's very alarming.
Not saying we need to give up on it, but democracy obviously has flaws, and it seems we have let our guard down against those flaws.

''Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.'' - Winston Churchill

1. 80,000 votes. 80,000 votes in 3 states is what gave Trump the election. 80,000 votes in 3 states is a "fuck you" to Hillary, but 3 million votes in "2 states" (parentheses because if you really believe it's just NY and CA, you're delusional) just means nothing, I guess. 

2. Obamacare is unpopular because Republicans, at every turn, make it out to be the worst thing ever. So, public opinion of "Obamacare" takes a dive (I remember reading that Republicans stirred up hate for the policy via tagging Obama's name to it to run parralel to that fiction I mentioned to say he's destroying the country, so something directly associated to Obama would be viewed negatively. Also calling it the "government option" and "public mandate"). But people actually like the "Affordable Care Act". When you explain the benefits to them, they like it. 

As someone else before me pointed out, "Obama go in after a market crash" is an irrelevant argument. Literally every Republican president in the modern era has had lower and lower job growth, then a Democrat comes in a fixes it. So, Obama may have come in "after a crash", but historically, he falls right in line: we get less jobs under Republicans, we get more jobs under Democrats. 

Yes, I give him credit for Bin Laden. Who was in situation room given the commands to finally get the bastard? It was Obama. What are you gonna say? "Obama didn't do anything! It was the NAVY Seals who got Bin Laden!"? Funny, you try to take credit away from Obama for his involvement in getting Bin Laden, but I bet you shit all over Hillary because of Benghazi, even though "she didn't kill those diplomats! Terrorists did!" 

And if much of the country was ready to bail on Obama, why is favorability rating sitting at 55%, but the guy "the people" (as in, 3 million less people) want is sitting at 43%? You want to know why it's so low for Trump? Because it's not due to Democrats "looking for any excuse to attack Trump". It's because that "any excuse" is actually a bunch of legitimate reasons. He's trying to take away overtime work for people who make less than $47,000 (which is just below the income per capita in the US. i.e. a lot of workers who put in over 40 hours a week are gonna get screwed). His Carrier "deal" that "saved 1,000 jobs" actually only saved about 730, many jobs are still going to Mexico, and Carrier is still raising prices by 5% while getting $7 million in tax incentives that Indiana people have to cover; a bunch of crony capitalism. He's appointing people to cabinet positions to be the head of departments that they hate and want to dismantle. 

Those are legitimate reasons to attack Trump. Not to mention him flipping on many of his main talking points, in general. Speaking of Carrier, it was the exact opposite of "you move jobs to Mexico, and I'll put a 35% tax on your goods". Nope, they get $7 million in tax incentives. "There will be a total and complete shut down of Muslims entering the country until we find out what's going on over there". Nope, only "certain Muslims" will be banned. "I'm gonna drain the swamp of the Washington elites and the establishment". Nope, I'm gonna appoint a bunch of Goldman Sachs and Exxon billionaires to my cabinet. "Lock her up!". Nope, that's nice to say during the campaign, but now that we won, we don't actually care about that, right? 

Noah doesn't seem "surprised by this". It's just like Bernie said during his town hall: why did you vote for someone who lied to your face? All those things he said he'd do to get you to vote for him, now he's flipping on all of them and you don't care? 

edit: also, you're not even going to give him credit for the $160 billion in tax cuts to the middle class? The cuts that are literally as tied to him as Obamacare is or the "Bush tax cuts" are to George Bush? Now that is just "finding an excuse" to hate Obama. 

1. Again, Hillary had a massive lead in NY and CA. Those are what gave her the popular vote. Trump had to actually appeal to swing states. Winning the popular vote is a different game.

2. Obamacare is unpopular because really expensive and the penalty for not having insurance is ridiculous. When unemployed people benefit more from it than actual working people, its broken. I also see people exploit it by working less or lying about their income to get free health care on the backs of those who pay. Even Obama has admitted its broken.

I can't deny the graphs show more job growth under democrats, but what do dems do to stimulate job growth? Higher taxes and more regulations? It certainly hasn't helped Obama much as we've seen small growth compared to other left wing presidents.

Obama's involvment with Bin Laden was essentially, "okay, do your job." The Benghazi thing, I think the bigger issue with that is the lying. Its just one of several occasions the administration was caught lying.

I understand Obama's favoribility is high, but polls also showed Hillary was gonna have a landslide victory. Its strange Obama is so popular but the country didn't want his successor.

A flip flopping president isn't that unusual, look at Obama. I'm more curious to see what Trump does accomplish. Basically you're comparing Obama's record to Trump's, but Trump isn't president yet.

For the record, its seems people think I hate Obama because I love repubuplicans. But I'm not boasting about other republican presidents or complaining about other democrat presidents. I just don't believe Obama was a good president and he certainly didn't push issues Trump supporters find important. I aslo find the push left wingers are making on socialism and social justice alarming. Bill Clinton was a moderate compared to what dems push now.

All politicians make promises they can't keep, not necessarily lie, Trump flat out lied to get elected. Obama, Bush, all of them promised to do things but that's all in good hope that you'll get a house that is on your side.

We're not going to sell a multi billion dollar wall, the carrier jobs that he "saved" aren't really saved, they were already never planned to leave, he plans to bomb the hell out of isis, if we did that welcome WW3, he just told a bunch of shit and I called it during the entire election. I guess Trump isn't like Hitler at all, and the fake People Magazine quote wasn't such a fake idea of a comment after all.