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Trump is the president. What do you think?

I hate myself and want to die. 232 25.38%
 
I am so happy and want to... 238 26.04%
 
Eh. I honestly don't care 204 22.32%
 
How the hell did 11,000 U... 240 26.26%
 
Total:914
hershel_layton on 09 November 2016
Nuvendil said:
StarOcean said:

Can always dream XD

I suppose one can call it a dream.  I would not.  If nothing else, the leftist tax proposals are absurd.  Don't necessarily think that the Right has put forth the best proposals either, but the idea of drasitcally raising the corporate tax rate and keeping the international tax rate on top of that is just absurd when you consider we already have the highest corporate tax rate of any developed country and are the only developed modern country who has an international tax system.  And further expanding entitlements is also something I consider utter madness when we can't afford the programs we already have in place.

I wonder why it's so hard to make taxes fairly for everyone- as you get a bigger salary you pay more taxes. it shouldn't be so hard.

 

We should also close loop holes for taxes. it's disgusting how apple and other corporations have billions of avoided taxes



 

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sundin13 on 09 November 2016

I payed a lot of attention and got perhaps a little too invested in politics this last year. I know I can't keep that up, especially with Trump in office so I've made a "New President Resolution": Fuck politics, play more video games.

That is all



Dr.Vita on 09 November 2016
konnichiwa said:

This is how the 18-25 year olds voted:


Old people destroying the future of the young folk... Fuck the society...




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Playstation Vita Media Create Sales (2014 vs 2015 vs 2016)
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Xen on 09 November 2016
Zkuq said:
Xen said:

...and the farther you push people, the more you call them stupid without reason, the deeper you will entrench them in their standing. Finally, some logic from these forums.

I am more disgusted by the 18-25 people vote breakdown. Clearly people cannot think for themselves or analyze given patterns - a manipulative politician vs a clown who would have to settle down once he's in - and they still choose a manipulative politician because "oh no, he said bad things about x, y, z, oh that is so uncool dude".

I am disgusted to be in the last year of that demographic.

This is a very contradictory post, because it essentially says that calling people is stupid, and then it essentially calls young people stupid for having a differing opinion. Do you have to be unable to think for yourself or analyze things to be able to vote for Clinton? Also calling Clinton manipulative and not calling Trump manipulative too sounds just wrong to me. He's a populist, so he's almost by definition manipulative.

I am not straight up calling people stupid, though - unlike "you are stupid if you vote for x", which was a popular thing to say, I present some argument (even if I could present lots more). And yes, populism is indeed by nature manipulative. However, it is very easy to exploit populist ideas - it requires no invention and is basically taking outrageous ideas that already exist and playing to them (with passion). It is more difficult to reinvent yourself with every new wind in politics like Clinton did. I understand she's been in the field for a while, but that is what I think she does - with examples such as this : http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/17/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-change-position-same-sex-marriage/



Wiibaron on 09 November 2016

Absolute best thing about the Trump win is the lack of Hillary's voice on TV. Hopefully forever...



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Nuvendil on 09 November 2016
hershel_layton said:
Nuvendil said:

I suppose one can call it a dream.  I would not.  If nothing else, the leftist tax proposals are absurd.  Don't necessarily think that the Right has put forth the best proposals either, but the idea of drasitcally raising the corporate tax rate and keeping the international tax rate on top of that is just absurd when you consider we already have the highest corporate tax rate of any developed country and are the only developed modern country who has an international tax system.  And further expanding entitlements is also something I consider utter madness when we can't afford the programs we already have in place.

I wonder why it's so hard to make taxes fairly for everyone- as you get a bigger salary you pay more taxes. it shouldn't be so hard.

 

We should also close loop holes for taxes. it's disgusting how apple and other corporations have billions of avoided taxes

But percentages mean that you already *pay more*.  And btw, the top tier individual tax rate is far higher than the average American's.  As for loopholes, some are intentionally put in to encourage recovery from bad times - carry forward losses being the main one - while others are indeed unfortunate failures to adapt.  I would fix the former, certainly.  But the billions that companies never move into the country comes down to the international tax rate.  We are the only developed country that taxes you just for bringing the money into the country so why would any company do that if they don't have to?  Honestly, the class warfare narrative is so tired and a lot of it is smoke and mirrors.  The reality is, the overwhelming majority of federal income taxes come from the top tier people that leftists are determined to say don't pay their "fair share".



FragilE^ on 09 November 2016

I still wonder about Hillary's illness. Why did she collapse?
I hope we find out one day..

 

Btw, look at the results from the poll in this thread. Its ridiculously close!



Teeqoz on 09 November 2016
morenoingrato said:

Honestly, this is all on the liberal young voters with "principles" that decided to protest vote, write-in Sanders or refuse to vote because the primary did not go their way.
Congrats, you sent your message. You gave the DNC the finger. You can post about it on social media.
You gave the US presidency to a man that represents all you stand against because you didn't get the candidate you wanted for the Democrats (and reality check, Clinton was super liberal too).
A bunch of people blame this on DNC. No. This is on you and your arrogance and your "principles".

 

And I truly hope I never have to hear the words "Bernie Sanders" again.

You could say the same about the people who voted for Hillary in the primary even though they agreed more with Bernie because "Hillary Clinton was more electable". How did that work out eh?

But I too think it's silly to blame the DNC for who their candidate was. In the end, the people voted Hillary to be their candidate.



LivingMetal on 09 November 2016
StarOcean said:
konnichiwa said:

This is how the 18-25 year olds voted:

If that means there's a future where Republicans have almost no chance of ever winning again, then the future looks bright

It could also mean that that age group has yet to mature. 



Zkuq on 09 November 2016
Xen said:
Zkuq said:

This is a very contradictory post, because it essentially says that calling people is stupid, and then it essentially calls young people stupid for having a differing opinion. Do you have to be unable to think for yourself or analyze things to be able to vote for Clinton? Also calling Clinton manipulative and not calling Trump manipulative too sounds just wrong to me. He's a populist, so he's almost by definition manipulative.

I am not straight up calling people stupid, though - unlike "you are stupid if you vote for x", which was a popular thing to say, I present some argument (even if I could present lots more). And yes, populism is indeed by nature manipulative. However, it is very easy to exploit populist ideas - it requires no invention and is basically taking outrageous ideas that already exist and playing to them (with passion). It is more difficult to reinvent yourself with every new wind in politics like Clinton did. I understand she's been in the field for a while, but that is what I think she does - with examples such as this : http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/17/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-change-position-same-sex-marriage/

Yeah, I agree it's a bad thing if you present it like that withouth further explanation. I think it's an opinion that can be backed up with reasonable explanations, but omitting those explanations can really hurt the message. Your reasoning wasn't strong either, though. I don't particularly demand better reasoning because I'm sure you could provide it, I'm just pointing out it seemed somewhat hypocritical of you.

I'm not saying Clinton isn't manipulative. I'm saying using it as an argument against her but not against Trump is wrong. It's both or neither, not just one of them, if they're both manipulative. As for stupidity regarding manipulation, I think it's worse if you fall for someone who's using well-known populist rhetorics (i.e. Trump) than it is to fall for someone using more sophisticated methods (i.e. Clinton).

As for the same-sex marriage thing, to me it seems like her views have been more or less consistent throughout her career. She's been a supporter of gay rights for a long time, and only details have changed. One such detail is the form of union gay couples should be allowed to have, and even then, content-wise it doesn't sound like there's been much change. As for change itself, I think it's only natural that people change in time, and the time period addressed in the article is a pretty long one. Even I have kind of changed my opinion on the matter and done so in a much shorter time, so I don't see why a politician couldn't. And when the popular opinion changes, I think it's natural to look at your own views critically and see if they need updating. After all, there has to be some reason for the change of public opinion. Of course blatant change of opinions in a short period of time depending on the situation makes it obvious the changes aren't real but meant to gain the maximum public support, but I don't think that's the case with Clinton's views on same-sex marriage. I'm sure there's got to be situations where Clinton has obviously changed her opinion on matters to maximize popular support, but this doesn't seem to be such a case.