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Hillary Clinton won. How much time till Nuclear War?

There will be no nuclear ... 168 47.19%
 
Nuclear World war in 2017... 64 17.98%
 
Nuclear Armaggedom in 2018. 15 4.21%
 
We will be living like Fallout 4 in 2019. 55 15.45%
 
Nuclear war before her term ends. 54 15.17%
 
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Mr.GameCrazy said:
PwerlvlAmy said:
Sometime in 2017 most likely. Its definitely happening and it will be with Russia

I highly doubt that will ever happen.

You are correct. All these Chicken Littles might as well be wearing sandwich boards saying "THE END IS NEAR! JESUS IS LORD! REPENT!"

Jesus H. Baldheaded Christ.



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SanAndreasX said:
AsGryffynn said:

Well, given we have never seen how a war with Russia will unfold out, we can't say for sure. No one's really won a war against them. We don't know how it'd unfold. Thing is, how will the US react to bombers? Russia will probably expel them and use everything they can throw at them to do it. Since sanctions will have a negligible effect (they are already as closed off as they can be) the US will either have to keep shutting aircraft down and replacing what's destroyed. Odds are the moment the US says there's a NFZ Russia will simply destroy all US and NATO ground forces and employ heavier firepower to decimate Aleppo (I can see them giving the rebels an ultimatum and telling organizations within the city to run for it). 

As it stands, a proxy war will have no winners, but I am not sure if the US will react violently to their aircraft and ships being destroyed. There's a substantial loss of power projection solely on losing a bunch of ships. 

The opposite is actually true: Russia has a spotty track record in war. They lost badly in the Russo-Japanese War in 1905, against a newly industrialized Asian country with a fraction of the military power. They lost World War I and their victory in World War II was pyrrhic, with the German invasion only being turned back mere miles from Moscow. If Germany hadn't been fighting on two fronts they might very well have sacked Moscow and taken Russia. They couldn't handle Afghanistan when they were far more powerful than they are now. And Soviet leadership from Stalin onward was actually scared shitless of the United States as was discovered after the USSR dissolved. The Soviet leaders believed that there was almost no scenario in which the USSR would win in direct conflict with the United States and that the US would destroy them with nukes. They were afraid of China as well. They knew China could overwhelm the Russian army through sheer force of numbers.  And that was back when the disparity between the US and the USSR was far less than it is now. Russia is a shell of the former Soviet Union. 

One other factor that is against the Russians is the fact that the United States Armed Forces have far more actual recent combat experience than the Russian military. Experience counts on the battlefield.

Except that, as I mentioned, those examples happened at the worst time imaginable... 

1. The Japan campaign took place under the cloud of the British Imperial plans to keep Russia out of Asia. In fact, they were blockaded by the Brits from going Eastwards. Had the actual fleets made it to Sakhalin, Japan would've been terminated and none of the Fascist Imperial bullshit would have started. France wanted to help, but it might lead to the UK attacking and neither were in a position to stand up to them at the time. The Tsar was bleeding Russia dry and the Empire was annoyed.  

2. The Russian theater falls after peace negotiations. The people want the government out and the military falls apart as factions grow more powerful and start staking claims upon Russia. It ends when the government asks for support and they end up booted off the country instead. 

3. Hitler sent the vast majority of his forces to Russia. The contribution from the other front was negligible. It was Stalin who rolled them back and chased them off Poland. It was they who marched in and seized the city. Every single important thing in that war was the Soviet Union's doing... 

4. No military in the world has ever defeated guerrillas and it's believed it's impossible. The US also had to leave Iraq and were powerless in Syria. Never mind them trying their hand at bringing peace to the exact same dirtball with predictably hopeless results... 

5. Even then, you seem to forget the politicians in Washington running around and yelling "We're all gonna die!" during the JFK era and how the commies were outperforming your technology with outdated equipment. Or how they are outperforming anything with less than half the enemy forces since the Georgia raid... 

6. And it seems they both have a lot. Didn't I mention during the Georgian affair the invaders were outnumbered and they still outsmarted the Georgians?  

 

Don't underestimate the enemy because it doesn't plays on your team. These guys seized most of Korea from Japan, kicked Napoleon in his family jewels, turned Hitler's dreams on his head and told the British Empire to lay off Egypt. 

You don't mess with Russia without paying a high price. 



AsGryffynn said:
SanAndreasX said:

The opposite is actually true: Russia has a spotty track record in war. They lost badly in the Russo-Japanese War in 1905, against a newly industrialized Asian country with a fraction of the military power. They lost World War I and their victory in World War II was pyrrhic, with the German invasion only being turned back mere miles from Moscow. If Germany hadn't been fighting on two fronts they might very well have sacked Moscow and taken Russia. They couldn't handle Afghanistan when they were far more powerful than they are now. And Soviet leadership from Stalin onward was actually scared shitless of the United States as was discovered after the USSR dissolved. The Soviet leaders believed that there was almost no scenario in which the USSR would win in direct conflict with the United States and that the US would destroy them with nukes. They were afraid of China as well. They knew China could overwhelm the Russian army through sheer force of numbers.  And that was back when the disparity between the US and the USSR was far less than it is now. Russia is a shell of the former Soviet Union. 

One other factor that is against the Russians is the fact that the United States Armed Forces have far more actual recent combat experience than the Russian military. Experience counts on the battlefield.

Except that, as I mentioned, those examples happened at the worst time imaginable... 

1. The Japan campaign took place under the cloud of the British Imperial plans to keep Russia out of Asia. In fact, they were blockaded by the Brits from going Eastwards. Had the actual fleets made it to Sakhalin, Japan would've been terminated and none of the Fascist Imperial bullshit would have started. France wanted to help, but it might lead to the UK attacking and neither were in a position to stand up to them at the time. The Tsar was bleeding Russia dry and the Empire was annoyed.  

2. The Russian theater falls after peace negotiations. The people want the government out and the military falls apart as factions grow more powerful and start staking claims upon Russia. It ends when the government asks for support and they end up booted off the country instead. 

3. Hitler sent the vast majority of his forces to Russia. The contribution from the other front was negligible. It was Stalin who rolled them back and chased them off Poland. It was they who marched in and seized the city. Every single important thing in that war was the Soviet Union's doing... 

4. No military in the world has ever defeated guerrillas and it's believed it's impossible. The US also had to leave Iraq and were powerless in Syria. Never mind them trying their hand at bringing peace to the exact same dirtball with predictably hopeless results... 

5. Even then, you seem to forget the politicians in Washington running around and yelling "We're all gonna die!" during the JFK era and how the commies were outperforming your technology with outdated equipment. Or how they are outperforming anything with less than half the enemy forces since the Georgia raid... 

6. And it seems they both have a lot. Didn't I mention during the Georgian affair the invaders were outnumbered and they still outsmarted the Georgians?  

 

Don't underestimate the enemy because it doesn't plays on your team. These guys seized most of Korea from Japan, kicked Napoleon in his family jewels, turned Hitler's dreams on his head and told the British Empire to lay off Egypt. 

You don't mess with Russia without paying a high price. 

4- US had to leave Iraq because the Iraqi government and its people demanded so. Not because they were defeated like Russians in Afghanistan. And remember, Russian bombings in Syria aren't doing much to help Assad as well.

5- The Georgia raid was funny, like Saddam Hussein's army going head to head with the US military in 2003. Place Russia in Iraq after 2003 and they would feel what's real modern warfare. And the commies never outperformed US in terms of tech competition. Just because US military wasn't parading their latest military prowess on their Red Square, doesn't mean they didn't have anything equal or superior.

6- Again, Georgia didn't/doesn't have means to confront Russia on a conventional war. A better example would be the Chechen Wars in the 90's and 2000's, were Russians got their a** handed to them. 

No one should be underestimated but overestimating Russia here seems like a mere prapaganda tovarish.
I liked that they always stood up to Western imperialism, but they were no saints as well.



Goatseye said:
AsGryffynn said:

Except that, as I mentioned, those examples happened at the worst time imaginable... 

1. The Japan campaign took place under the cloud of the British Imperial plans to keep Russia out of Asia. In fact, they were blockaded by the Brits from going Eastwards. Had the actual fleets made it to Sakhalin, Japan would've been terminated and none of the Fascist Imperial bullshit would have started. France wanted to help, but it might lead to the UK attacking and neither were in a position to stand up to them at the time. The Tsar was bleeding Russia dry and the Empire was annoyed.  

2. The Russian theater falls after peace negotiations. The people want the government out and the military falls apart as factions grow more powerful and start staking claims upon Russia. It ends when the government asks for support and they end up booted off the country instead. 

3. Hitler sent the vast majority of his forces to Russia. The contribution from the other front was negligible. It was Stalin who rolled them back and chased them off Poland. It was they who marched in and seized the city. Every single important thing in that war was the Soviet Union's doing... 

4. No military in the world has ever defeated guerrillas and it's believed it's impossible. The US also had to leave Iraq and were powerless in Syria. Never mind them trying their hand at bringing peace to the exact same dirtball with predictably hopeless results... 

5. Even then, you seem to forget the politicians in Washington running around and yelling "We're all gonna die!" during the JFK era and how the commies were outperforming your technology with outdated equipment. Or how they are outperforming anything with less than half the enemy forces since the Georgia raid... 

6. And it seems they both have a lot. Didn't I mention during the Georgian affair the invaders were outnumbered and they still outsmarted the Georgians?  

 

Don't underestimate the enemy because it doesn't plays on your team. These guys seized most of Korea from Japan, kicked Napoleon in his family jewels, turned Hitler's dreams on his head and told the British Empire to lay off Egypt. 

You don't mess with Russia without paying a high price. 

4- US had to leave Iraq because the Iraqi government and its people demanded so. Not because they were defeated like Russians in Afghanistan. And remember, Russian bombings in Syria aren't doing much to help Assad as well.

5- The Georgia raid was funny, like Saddam Hussein's army going head to head with the US military in 2003. Place Russia in Iraq after 2003 and they would feel what's real modern warfare. And the commies never outperformed US in terms of tech competition. Just because US military wasn't parading their latest military prowess on their Red Square, doesn't mean they didn't have anything equal or superior.

6- Again, Georgia didn't/doesn't have means to confront Russia on a conventional war. A better example would be the Chechen Wars in the 90's and 2000's, were Russians got their a** handed to them. 

No one should be underestimated but overestimating Russia here seems like a mere prapaganda tovarish.
I liked that they always stood up to Western imperialism, but they were no saints as well.

1. The USSR could have stayed in the country for as long as they wanted to as well. They just didn't see a point in staying around fighting guerrillas who were obviously funded by the US. That and the bombings did help Assad find his footing again. 

2. Like the missiles who were far less efficient yet their range and ability to down fighters was equal or superior to the advanced tech the US was able to field at the time (this doesn't count new technology). By the way, the Russians beating the tar out of people when outnumbered is hardly news. This shit has helped Russia wins actual conflicts before. 

3. Chechen Wars? You mean the ones were they decimated everyone back into FARC wannabees when they got their act together after Putin seized power?

 

Oh it isn't. When NATO admits they have no way to respond to a Russian invasion, it sort of highlights how brutal they are able to be. Anything else is nothing but hubris. And I know they are no saints as well, but in a world where those two are either busy with each other or gone, I am happier... 



AsGryffynn said:
Goatseye said:

4- US had to leave Iraq because the Iraqi government and its people demanded so. Not because they were defeated like Russians in Afghanistan. And remember, Russian bombings in Syria aren't doing much to help Assad as well.

5- The Georgia raid was funny, like Saddam Hussein's army going head to head with the US military in 2003. Place Russia in Iraq after 2003 and they would feel what's real modern warfare. And the commies never outperformed US in terms of tech competition. Just because US military wasn't parading their latest military prowess on their Red Square, doesn't mean they didn't have anything equal or superior.

6- Again, Georgia didn't/doesn't have means to confront Russia on a conventional war. A better example would be the Chechen Wars in the 90's and 2000's, were Russians got their a** handed to them. 

No one should be underestimated but overestimating Russia here seems like a mere prapaganda tovarish.
I liked that they always stood up to Western imperialism, but they were no saints as well.

1. The USSR could have stayed in the country for as long as they wanted to as well. They just didn't see a point in staying around fighting guerrillas who were obviously funded by the US. That and the bombings did help Assad find his footing again. 

2. Like the missiles who were far less efficient yet their range and ability to down fighters was equal or superior to the advanced tech the US was able to field at the time (this doesn't count new technology). By the way, the Russians beating the tar out of people when outnumbered is hardly news. This shit has helped Russia wins actual conflicts before. 

3. Chechen Wars? You mean the ones were they decimated everyone back into FARC wannabees when they got their act together after Putin seized power?

 

Oh it isn't. When NATO admits they have no way to respond to a Russian invasion, it sort of highlights how brutal they are able to be. Anything else is nothing but hubris. And I know they are no saints as well, but in a world where those two are either busy with each other or gone, I am happier... 

1- Russia had no means of staying in Afghanistan. They had no logistical or military capability of sustaining more and more battle losses. It's not that they didn't want to, they couldn't. Those missiles provided by CIA and the idiot Texas senator utterly destroyed Russia's superiority.

2- Russia were outnumbered by Finnish Army? No. Chechens Rebels? No. Even Nazis? No.

Actually, they used their population to buy them time and opportunity to kick an already debilitated Wehrmacht down. And remember US's aid to Russia to mechanize their military because they were still using horses and bayonette. 

3- After they got their act together? You mean after they bomb the eff out of Chechen civilians and lost upwards of 14,000 Red Army, contractors and Spetsnaz lives?

NATO couldn't meddle in Georgia's business with Russia because the benefit was outweighed by economic chaos that a war with Russia would ensue. Imagine if Russia stepped into Germany doors...



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Goatseye said:
AsGryffynn said:

1. The USSR could have stayed in the country for as long as they wanted to as well. They just didn't see a point in staying around fighting guerrillas who were obviously funded by the US. That and the bombings did help Assad find his footing again. 

2. Like the missiles who were far less efficient yet their range and ability to down fighters was equal or superior to the advanced tech the US was able to field at the time (this doesn't count new technology). By the way, the Russians beating the tar out of people when outnumbered is hardly news. This shit has helped Russia wins actual conflicts before. 

3. Chechen Wars? You mean the ones were they decimated everyone back into FARC wannabees when they got their act together after Putin seized power?

 

Oh it isn't. When NATO admits they have no way to respond to a Russian invasion, it sort of highlights how brutal they are able to be. Anything else is nothing but hubris. And I know they are no saints as well, but in a world where those two are either busy with each other or gone, I am happier... 

1- Russia had no means of staying in Afghanistan. They had no logistical or military capability of sustaining more and more battle losses. It's not that they didn't want to, they couldn't. Those missiles provided by CIA and the idiot Texas senator utterly destroyed Russia's superiority.

2- Russia were outnumbered by Finnish Army? No. Chechens Rebels? No. Even Nazis? No.

Actually, they used their population to buy them time and opportunity to kick an already debilitated Wehrmacht down. And remember US's aid to Russia to mechanize their military because they were still using horses and bayonette. 

3- After they got their act together? You mean after they bomb the eff out of Chechen civilians and lost upwards of 14,000 Red Army, contractors and Spetsnaz lives?

NATO couldn't meddle in Georgia's business with Russia because the benefit was outweighed by economic chaos that a war with Russia would ensue. Imagine if Russia stepped into Germany doors...

1. Russia left because they had no way of staying around and doing anything other than standing by idly until someone attacked something important. You can't root out terrorists. The US couldn't, why would the USSR have done any better? Short of glassing the country, of course! 

2. Great Purge, no funding and crushing your enemy don't really count... Seriously, read on your history to find out why the first was a loss, why the second was a loss of time until they regrouped and why the last one also ended up turning into a complete switcheroo. 

Oh and omit the five year plans, they obviously had nothing to do with how the USSR wasn't wiped out from the face of the Earth by using HORSES! 

Did you even read what you posted? 

3. There was no Red Army after the dissolution of the USSR. This is Russia, not the RED ARMY! 

If Russia stepped into Germany's doors, it'd take the US and Britain to kick them out. 



It sounds like every time Russia has ever lost a fight it was because they were busy shooting themselves in the foot. Why would you expect the next time to be any different? (And I hear their economy is pretty unhappy with the price of oil right now, not to mention the sanctions.)

As for Russian tech vs. US tech, the USA let them get a lead on missile technology which led to Sputnik, then panicked and put massive resources in that direction. Remind me, when did the USSR land on the moon? The USA's technological development has just been better overall.

Russia historically won its really tough wars by getting invaded, and outlasting the enemy while smothering him in bodies. Their military might should not be underestimated but the idea that they defeated Germany singlehandedly is laughable. More of the Nazis were fighting the USSR, yes; but millions were on the other fronts as well. Imagine if they had all been able to go against the USSR as well as what was already there!

I don't know why I'm even arguing this ... your statement is just so ridiculous: "Every single important thing in that war was the Soviet Union's doing..." 30% of the trucks in the Red Army were American by the end of the war, and all of their best ones were.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease#US_deliveries_to_the_USSR

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AsGryffynn said:
Goatseye said:

1- Russia had no means of staying in Afghanistan. They had no logistical or military capability of sustaining more and more battle losses. It's not that they didn't want to, they couldn't. Those missiles provided by CIA and the idiot Texas senator utterly destroyed Russia's superiority.

2- Russia were outnumbered by Finnish Army? No. Chechens Rebels? No. Even Nazis? No.

Actually, they used their population to buy them time and opportunity to kick an already debilitated Wehrmacht down. And remember US's aid to Russia to mechanize their military because they were still using horses and bayonette. 

3- After they got their act together? You mean after they bomb the eff out of Chechen civilians and lost upwards of 14,000 Red Army, contractors and Spetsnaz lives?

NATO couldn't meddle in Georgia's business with Russia because the benefit was outweighed by economic chaos that a war with Russia would ensue. Imagine if Russia stepped into Germany doors...

1. Russia left because they had no way of staying around and doing anything other than standing by idly until someone attacked something important. You can't root out terrorists. The US couldn't, why would the USSR have done any better? Short of glassing the country, of course! 

2. Great Purge, no funding and crushing your enemy don't really count... Seriously, read on your history to find out why the first was a loss, why the second was a loss of time until they regrouped and why the last one also ended up turning into a complete switcheroo. 

Oh and omit the five year plans, they obviously had nothing to do with how the USSR wasn't wiped out from the face of the Earth by using HORSES! 

Did you even read what you posted? 

3. There was no Red Army after the dissolution of the USSR. This is Russia, not the RED ARMY! 

If Russia stepped into Germany's doors, it'd take the US and Britain to kick them out. 

1- Taliban wish they had footing in Afghanistan like they did at the end of 80's. There are negligible number of Taliban fighters in Afghanistan but in the mountains of Pakistan.

2- What does the Great Purge has to do with Finland when they were assaulted by their neighbors? I don't need to refresh on my history to know that Stalin and other Russian dictators lusted for Slav blood. If they were not in condition to fight they shouldn't have stepped into the ring. That's not an excuse, especially when Russian army outnumbered the the Finns by more than 3 times.

3- Russia wouldn't erect one Forward Operating Base on German soil if the Germans recur to guerilla warfare. I'm not familiar with German military.



Final-Fan said:
It sounds like every time Russia has ever lost a fight it was because they were busy shooting themselves in the foot. Why would you expect the next time to be any different? (And I hear their economy is pretty unhappy with the price of oil right now, not to mention the sanctions.)

As for Russian tech vs. US tech, the USA let them get a lead on missile technology which led to Sputnik, then panicked and put massive resources in that direction. Remind me, when did the USSR land on the moon? The USA's technological development has just been better overall.

Russia historically won its really tough wars by getting invaded, and outlasting the enemy while smothering him in bodies. Their military might should not be underestimated but the idea that they defeated Germany singlehandedly is laughable. More of the Nazis were fighting the USSR, yes; but millions were on the other fronts as well. Imagine if they had all been able to go against the USSR as well as what was already there!

I don't know why I'm even arguing this ... your statement is just so ridiculous: "Every single important thing in that war was the Soviet Union's doing..." 30% of the trucks in the Red Army were American by the end of the war, and all of their best ones were.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease#US_deliveries_to_the_USSR

"Without American production the [Allies] could never have won the war." --Joseph Stalin.

The country will often do that whenever there isn't an strong leader in charge or government's shaky rather than solid. Right now it's rock solid, and their economy was already slated to stall. This has only given them a scapegoat. 

Except when it wasn't. It wasn't America who launched the first satellite and it definitely wasn't them who put the first man in space. Doing something along the lines of visiting another world years later doesn't change the fact Armstrong landed years later when technology had progressed (and when the Soviets had no reason to prove anything to anyone). 

Besides, more advanced technology didn't always have better results. The Americans witnessed how somehow outdated Soviet technology was superior at times. 

Also, why worry of how supplying weapons and transport changed things when the ones using them to great effect were the Soviet troops? Have you forgotten it was they who were marching down Berlin? Or how much of the industrial capacity they had built was effectively destroyed because they were caught with their pants down? Or that their economy was still recovering from a power vacuum? More importantly, do you realize the vast majority of the resources provided by the lend lease were rations, ammo and transport? Little actual combat equipment was used. The US provided logistical support since the USSR had most of their industry destroyed in the West and they only had one line in the Far East! Look at the descriptions! Most of the shipments were trucks or food or ammunition (or tires)! 

It was only one third of it. Given they were fighting two heavy hitting countries at once (and that these same countries were giving the rest of Europe a headache even worse than theirs) I think it's safe to say no one would have been able to come out on top on their own. The US was necessary because their industrial capacity was safely tucked away in another continent. Thus they had the ability to support the European effort. Also, initially, much of the goods came from the UK, who was also being bombed to kingdom come. This war was impossible to win on their own. It doesn't lead to people thinking if the USSR hadn't existed the US could've just stepped in to destroy everyone... 

At the end of the day this hardly changes anything. The USSR were the ones who invaded Germany and destroyed their troops with their tanks, their soldiers and their aircraft. Most American support was specifically support. The Americans weren't marching alongside the Red Army, were they? 

Had Germany gone all out on the USSR they might have lasted longer, but even twice as many soldiers (the amount contributed by the collapse of the Western front) would've led to them getting closer to Moscow (they were close) and perhaps seize the only city left in the way, but the amount of Soviet forces who were preparing for the counter offensive was humongous! 6.6 million soldiers don't go down easily.

Goatseye said:
AsGryffynn said:

1. Russia left because they had no way of staying around and doing anything other than standing by idly until someone attacked something important. You can't root out terrorists. The US couldn't, why would the USSR have done any better? Short of glassing the country, of course! 

2. Great Purge, no funding and crushing your enemy don't really count... Seriously, read on your history to find out why the first was a loss, why the second was a loss of time until they regrouped and why the last one also ended up turning into a complete switcheroo. 

Oh and omit the five year plans, they obviously had nothing to do with how the USSR wasn't wiped out from the face of the Earth by using HORSES! 

Did you even read what you posted? 

3. There was no Red Army after the dissolution of the USSR. This is Russia, not the RED ARMY! 

If Russia stepped into Germany's doors, it'd take the US and Britain to kick them out. 

1- Taliban wish they had footing in Afghanistan like they did at the end of 80's. There are negligible number of Taliban fighters in Afghanistan but in the mountains of Pakistan.

2- What does the Great Purge has to do with Finland when they were assaulted by their neighbors? I don't need to refresh on my history to know that Stalin and other Russian dictators lusted for Slav blood. If they were not in condition to fight they shouldn't have stepped into the ring. That's not an excuse, especially when Russian army outnumbered the the Finns by more than 3 times.

3- Russia wouldn't erect one Forward Operating Base on German soil if the Germans recur to guerilla warfare. I'm not familiar with German military.

1. The Taliban didn't have free money from other countries for being freedom fighters, but since you insist, why not do what everyone else has done to death and compare it to the Vietnam War instead? 

2. The mass deportation and terror of the raids in the years leading up to the war left the Red Army without an effective high command. Most lieutenants and marshals were stumbling around in the dark and had no previous war experience compared to the former aides of the party at the time. They literally lost because there were only stupid numbskulls running the circus... 

Yes, Stalin did something really stupid when he sacked the military's top ranking officers and then told everyone they were going to war. 

3. Before Germany was a Superpower. Now they might as well have no military... 



AsGryffynn said:
Final-Fan said:
It sounds like every time Russia has ever lost a fight it was because they were busy shooting themselves in the foot. Why would you expect the next time to be any different? (And I hear their economy is pretty unhappy with the price of oil right now, not to mention the sanctions.)

As for Russian tech vs. US tech, the USA let them get a lead on missile technology which led to Sputnik, then panicked and put massive resources in that direction. Remind me, when did the USSR land on the moon? The USA's technological development has just been better overall.

Russia historically won its really tough wars by getting invaded, and outlasting the enemy while smothering him in bodies. Their military might should not be underestimated but the idea that they defeated Germany singlehandedly is laughable. More of the Nazis were fighting the USSR, yes; but millions were on the other fronts as well. Imagine if they had all been able to go against the USSR as well as what was already there!

I don't know why I'm even arguing this ... your statement is just so ridiculous: "Every single important thing in that war was the Soviet Union's doing..." 30% of the trucks in the Red Army were American by the end of the war, and all of their best ones were.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease#US_deliveries_to_the_USSR

"Without American production the [Allies] could never have won the war." --Joseph Stalin.

The country will often do that whenever there isn't an strong leader in charge or government's shaky rather than solid. Right now it's rock solid, and their economy was already slated to stall. This has only given them a scapegoat. 

Except when it wasn't. It wasn't America who launched the first satellite and it definitely wasn't them who put the first man in space. Doing something along the lines of visiting another world years later doesn't change the fact Armstrong landed years later when technology had progressed (and when the Soviets had no reason to prove anything to anyone). 

Besides, more advanced technology didn't always have better results. The Americans witnessed how somehow outdated Soviet technology was superior at times. 

Also, why worry of how supplying weapons and transport changed things when the ones using them to great effect were the Soviet troops? Have you forgotten it was they who were marching down Berlin? Or how much of the industrial capacity they had built was effectively destroyed because they were caught with their pants down? Or that their economy was still recovering from a power vacuum? More importantly, do you realize the vast majority of the resources provided by the lend lease were rations, ammo and transport? Little actual combat equipment was used. The US provided logistical support since the USSR had most of their industry destroyed in the West and they only had one line in the Far East! Look at the descriptions! Most of the shipments were trucks or food or ammunition (or tires)! 

It was only one third of it. Given they were fighting two heavy hitting countries at once (and that these same countries were giving the rest of Europe a headache even worse than theirs) I think it's safe to say no one would have been able to come out on top on their own. The US was necessary because their industrial capacity was safely tucked away in another continent. Thus they had the ability to support the European effort. Also, initially, much of the goods came from the UK, who was also being bombed to kingdom come. This war was impossible to win on their own. It doesn't lead to people thinking if the USSR hadn't existed the US could've just stepped in to destroy everyone... 

At the end of the day this hardly changes anything. The USSR were the ones who invaded Germany and destroyed their troops with their tanks, their soldiers and their aircraft. Most American support was specifically support. The Americans weren't marching alongside the Red Army, were they? 

Had Germany gone all out on the USSR they might have lasted longer, but even twice as many soldiers (the amount contributed by the collapse of the Western front) would've led to them getting closer to Moscow (they were close) and perhaps seize the only city left in the way, but the amount of Soviet forces who were preparing for the counter offensive was humongous! 6.6 million soldiers don't go down easily.

Goatseye said:

1- Taliban wish they had footing in Afghanistan like they did at the end of 80's. There are negligible number of Taliban fighters in Afghanistan but in the mountains of Pakistan.

2- What does the Great Purge has to do with Finland when they were assaulted by their neighbors? I don't need to refresh on my history to know that Stalin and other Russian dictators lusted for Slav blood. If they were not in condition to fight they shouldn't have stepped into the ring. That's not an excuse, especially when Russian army outnumbered the the Finns by more than 3 times.

3- Russia wouldn't erect one Forward Operating Base on German soil if the Germans recur to guerilla warfare. I'm not familiar with German military.

1. The Taliban didn't have free money from other countries for being freedom fighters, but since you insist, why not do what everyone else has done to death and compare it to the Vietnam War instead? 

2. The mass deportation and terror of the raids in the years leading up to the war left the Red Army without an effective high command. Most lieutenants and marshals were stumbling around in the dark and had no previous war experience compared to the former aides of the party at the time. They literally lost because there were only stupid numbskulls running the circus... 

Yes, Stalin did something really stupid when he sacked the military's top ranking officers and then told everyone they were going to war. 

3. Before Germany was a Superpower. Now they might as well have no military... 

1- US didn't back Taliban in the 80's. CIA and a senator went behind congress and fought their war.

Vietnam was a disaster for the US, however, you didn't read anyone here saying that US beats the tar out of people when outnumbered.

Saudi Arabia especial interests fund(ed) Talibans mostly. During the 80's, Taliban got half a billion dollars in donations from their follow Wahhabis.