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Goatseye on 07 November 2016
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AsGryffynn said:
Goatseye said:

4- US had to leave Iraq because the Iraqi government and its people demanded so. Not because they were defeated like Russians in Afghanistan. And remember, Russian bombings in Syria aren't doing much to help Assad as well.

5- The Georgia raid was funny, like Saddam Hussein's army going head to head with the US military in 2003. Place Russia in Iraq after 2003 and they would feel what's real modern warfare. And the commies never outperformed US in terms of tech competition. Just because US military wasn't parading their latest military prowess on their Red Square, doesn't mean they didn't have anything equal or superior.

6- Again, Georgia didn't/doesn't have means to confront Russia on a conventional war. A better example would be the Chechen Wars in the 90's and 2000's, were Russians got their a** handed to them. 

No one should be underestimated but overestimating Russia here seems like a mere prapaganda tovarish.
I liked that they always stood up to Western imperialism, but they were no saints as well.

1. The USSR could have stayed in the country for as long as they wanted to as well. They just didn't see a point in staying around fighting guerrillas who were obviously funded by the US. That and the bombings did help Assad find his footing again. 

2. Like the missiles who were far less efficient yet their range and ability to down fighters was equal or superior to the advanced tech the US was able to field at the time (this doesn't count new technology). By the way, the Russians beating the tar out of people when outnumbered is hardly news. This shit has helped Russia wins actual conflicts before. 

3. Chechen Wars? You mean the ones were they decimated everyone back into FARC wannabees when they got their act together after Putin seized power?

 

Oh it isn't. When NATO admits they have no way to respond to a Russian invasion, it sort of highlights how brutal they are able to be. Anything else is nothing but hubris. And I know they are no saints as well, but in a world where those two are either busy with each other or gone, I am happier... 

1- Russia had no means of staying in Afghanistan. They had no logistical or military capability of sustaining more and more battle losses. It's not that they didn't want to, they couldn't. Those missiles provided by CIA and the idiot Texas senator utterly destroyed Russia's superiority.

2- Russia were outnumbered by Finnish Army? No. Chechens Rebels? No. Even Nazis? No.

Actually, they used their population to buy them time and opportunity to kick an already debilitated Wehrmacht down. And remember US's aid to Russia to mechanize their military because they were still using horses and bayonette. 

3- After they got their act together? You mean after they bomb the eff out of Chechen civilians and lost upwards of 14,000 Red Army, contractors and Spetsnaz lives?

NATO couldn't meddle in Georgia's business with Russia because the benefit was outweighed by economic chaos that a war with Russia would ensue. Imagine if Russia stepped into Germany doors...