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Hillary Clinton won. How much time till Nuclear War?

There will be no nuclear ... 168 47.19%
 
Nuclear World war in 2017... 64 17.98%
 
Nuclear Armaggedom in 2018. 15 4.21%
 
We will be living like Fallout 4 in 2019. 55 15.45%
 
Nuclear war before her term ends. 54 15.17%
 
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AsGryffynn said:
Final-Fan said:

Supposing, for the sake of argument, that that did start a war:  such a war would not go nuclear, especially between Russia and the USA. 

It leads to an slippery slope and eventually will decay into war... 

And I said:  even granting that, it wouldn't go nuclear.  Do you think Putin is crazier than Stalin was?



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I know that Trump is not a president but Hillary is a disgrace, well I new it from start, now we America has female president to satisfy the media



CosmicSex said:
WagnerPaiva said:

The new model of Russia´s intercontinental nuclear missile. It can leven down a area as big as the state of Texas and it travels at 5000MPH, also, it can reach any spot in the planet with pinpoint accuracy.

I am very sure that America as nukes that are even deadlier than this one by the way. Nuclear War has no winners.

Well, in this case we have to admit that it depends on how much Russia wants to destory the planet.  The reason why nuclear war with a super power is unlikely no matter what is because no one want to die and nuclear wars can't be won.  See, because if everyone dies, no one gets to claim victory... on account of the fact that no one can because everyone is dead...

What if a small country you've never heard of survives and claims victory? And can an insane I mean joker-like insane hacker launch the nukes from every country around the world?



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Eagle367 said:
CosmicSex said:

Well, in this case we have to admit that it depends on how much Russia wants to destory the planet.  The reason why nuclear war with a super power is unlikely no matter what is because no one want to die and nuclear wars can't be won.  See, because if everyone dies, no one gets to claim victory... on account of the fact that no one can because everyone is dead...

What if a small country you've never heard of survives and claims victory? And can an insane I mean joker-like insane hacker launch the nukes from every country around the world?

In an all out nuclear war their are NO winners, fall out combined with nuclear winter means everyone is fucked even if not directly involved in the war. About all you can do is hope to hide in a bunker for long enough for the Nuclear Winter to pass (maybe a decade or so) and then hope everything is not too poisoned to rebuild. Countries not involved are likely to fair the worst as they don't have to paranoia to be building and stocking bunkers with 15+ years of food and water.



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Final-Fan said:
AsGryffynn said:

It leads to an slippery slope and eventually will decay into war... 

And I said:  even granting that, it wouldn't go nuclear.  Do you think Putin is crazier than Stalin was?

Do you think invading Russia (or attempting to) isn't plausible as it is? 



AsGryffynn said:
Final-Fan said:

And I said:  even granting that, it wouldn't go nuclear.  Do you think Putin is crazier than Stalin was?

Do you think invading Russia (or attempting to) isn't plausible as it is? 

Correct:  I think the idea of the USA or NATO actually invading Russia is about as implausible as nuclear war with Russia.  I simply do not know why they would have much reason to be interested in conquering Russian territory. 

Suppose a no fly zone was created, and Russia chose to violate it, and the USA chose to shoot down the violating aircraft, and it continued to escalate into a real war.  I expect that this war would be fought primarily in the air and sea as naval forces clashed in the world's oceans, and on the ground in Syria.  Mounting a land invasion of mainland Russia just doesn't seem to make sense to me under these conditions.  What would be the objective?  If the USA wins the war around the NFZ, the Russian threat has been crushed; if they lose, I don't see how they would be in a position to gain by invading Russia which has air superiority by now. 

Now, that isn't to say that there wouldn't be attacks on Russian air and naval bases or whatever, aimed at reducing their ability to project their military power into the conflict.  But that is a completely different thing from a full scale invasion.  On the other hand, if there was a war like this going on, who knows if someone on the losing side wouldn't go crazy?  It would be a massively foolish thing to unleash nukes KNOWING that the other side has nukes as well and you can't destroy their ability to retaliate, but it's imaginable.  Similarly, it's imaginable that faced with a losing war NATO would invade Russia out of desperation and panic, but it makes no sense to me. 

It's imaginable, but it isn't plausible, to me. 



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The risk would likely be much higher with a Trump presidency than a Hillary one. Either one of them would, however, be bound by going through congress in order to enact the process of going to war. So this is mostly silly conspiracy theories going around, mainly because some people oppose a woman for president just as a lot of people opposed a black man for president.



Final-Fan said:
AsGryffynn said:

Do you think invading Russia (or attempting to) isn't plausible as it is? 

Correct:  I think the idea of the USA or NATO actually invading Russia is about as implausible as nuclear war with Russia.  I simply do not know why they would have much reason to be interested in conquering Russian territory. 

Suppose a no fly zone was created, and Russia chose to violate it, and the USA chose to shoot down the violating aircraft, and it continued to escalate into a real war.  I expect that this war would be fought primarily in the air and sea as naval forces clashed in the world's oceans, and on the ground in Syria.  Mounting a land invasion of mainland Russia just doesn't seem to make sense to me under these conditions.  What would be the objective?  If the USA wins the war around the NFZ, the Russian threat has been crushed; if they lose, I don't see how they would be in a position to gain by invading Russia which has air superiority by now. 

Now, that isn't to say that there wouldn't be attacks on Russian air and naval bases or whatever, aimed at reducing their ability to project their military power into the conflict.  But that is a completely different thing from a full scale invasion.  On the other hand, if there was a war like this going on, who knows if someone on the losing side wouldn't go crazy?  It would be a massively foolish thing to unleash nukes KNOWING that the other side has nukes as well and you can't destroy their ability to retaliate, but it's imaginable.  Similarly, it's imaginable that faced with a losing war NATO would invade Russia out of desperation and panic, but it makes no sense to me. 

It's imaginable, but it isn't plausible, to me. 

Well, given we have never seen how a war with Russia will unfold out, we can't say for sure. No one's really won a war against them. We don't know how it'd unfold. Thing is, how will the US react to bombers? Russia will probably expel them and use everything they can throw at them to do it. Since sanctions will have a negligible effect (they are already as closed off as they can be) the US will either have to keep shutting aircraft down and replacing what's destroyed. Odds are the moment the US says there's a NFZ Russia will simply destroy all US and NATO ground forces and employ heavier firepower to decimate Aleppo (I can see them giving the rebels an ultimatum and telling organizations within the city to run for it). 

As it stands, a proxy war will have no winners, but I am not sure if the US will react violently to their aircraft and ships being destroyed. There's a substantial loss of power projection solely on losing a bunch of ships. 



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Well, given we have never seen how a war with Russia will unfold out, we can't say for sure. No one's really won a war against them. We don't know how it'd unfold. Thing is, how will the US react to bombers? Russia will probably expel them and use everything they can throw at them to do it. Since sanctions will have a negligible effect (they are already as closed off as they can be) the US will either have to keep shutting aircraft down and replacing what's destroyed. Odds are the moment the US says there's a NFZ Russia will simply destroy all US and NATO ground forces and employ heavier firepower to decimate Aleppo (I can see them giving the rebels an ultimatum and telling organizations within the city to run for it). 

As it stands, a proxy war will have no winners, but I am not sure if the US will react violently to their aircraft and ships being destroyed. There's a substantial loss of power projection solely on losing a bunch of ships. 

Depends what you mean by "win a war".  Certainly attempts to conquer Russia's entire territory have a bad history, but they have been defeated on the battlefield plenty of times.  Arguably they were defeated in World War I (the counterargument being that internal struggles contributed significantly to the defeat.)  I think it's a pretty big assumption that they would definitely be able to throw non-Russian-aligned forces out of Syria, especially permanently. 



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