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What match are you excited for at WWE Payback 2017?

Neville vs. Austin Aries ... 1 5.88%
 
Randy Orton vs. Bray Wyat... 3 17.65%
 
The Hardy Boyz vs. Cesaro... 3 17.65%
 
Kevin Owens vs. Chris Jer... 4 23.53%
 
Bayley vs. Alexa Bliss (Raw Women's Title) 3 17.65%
 
Seth Rollins vs. Samoa Joe 1 5.88%
 
Roman Reigns vs. Braun Strowman 2 11.76%
 
Total:17

Is it wrong that I loved the Goldberg/Lesnar match? I hate to say it but I loved watching Lesnar get jobbed.



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Slade6alpha said:
Overall, the inter personal feuds made the elimination match feel so meh. Ambrose coming back was fucking stupid. Hope their feud ends next month.

So... not sure what to think of the ending. I heard Goldberg was injured? I mean I enjoyed seeing lesnar lose, as I'm sick of him, but idk.

Overall 7/10 ppv was okay.

Goldberg tweaked his shoulder, nothing series as he wouldn't have been able to Jackhammer Lesnar.  The real question is what has all this setup done?

What's happeneing to Zayn?  Steph is probably going to chew him out.  But where does he go from here.  This also makes taking the title off of Ziggler stupid.

Ambrose was written as an idiot, I mean, Styles is a heel, but this is all Ambrose's fault.  Smackdown still won anyways, which is going to lead into me forgetting to say "Styles didn't screw over team Smackdown to start fued with Undertake, which was a false predictionr".  So even if Ambrose takes the title off Styles to give to Undertaker, the story won't make sense.  So what's the actual end game here?  Ambrose has been pretty insufferable against AJ.  They don't really have good chemistry.

The tag team survivor series match was pretty terrible and helped, and built nothing

I really don't know what WWE is going with here :/



bunchanumbers said:
Is it wrong that I loved the Goldberg/Lesnar match? I hate to say it but I loved watching Lesnar get jobbed.

I loved it as well, it could have been much worse, as demonstrated by them trying to have a match 12 years ago. 



 

darkknightkryta said:
Poor Spanish announce table

Roman "I want this table, I don't like you guys"... WTF?

Yeah I heard that too, was like... Racism? But it was clearly that the other table wasn't cleared and designed to be put through as in they might have had stuff stored under there which Roman knew about as the ref says something to him immediately before he moves over towards the spanish table, but still he really could have said anything else to avoid sounding racist there lol, and considering he had potentially just killed Shane Mc Mahon he really doesn't need any more bad PR.

Did ye hear the crowd chanting that Roman's sleeping and Wake up Roman while Rollins was fighting 2v1 with the Wyatts, I'd feel bad for Reigns if not for the fact that WWE stuck him to mid card for about 10 mins where he won the belt and now has it down his back like a rag rather than hold it as the Gold that it is, disrespects the work and value which goes into making that belt a legit prize.

As for the final match, was dreading it, figured it was going to be a slow slugfest going on for way too long with Lesnar winning using suplex after suplex, Lesnar lifted half way across the ring with a spear was fantastic to see, didn't ever think the match would go like that, kudos for WWE for the curveball of Brock "no one can beat me" Lesnar, getting just taken apart... little bit of a sickener though that he gets $6m a year and this was the first work he has done in 2 months which was about 3 mins of in ring selling  I mean, it's good work but at the same time if you scaled that up to an hourly rate for his Wrestling time it's $20m per hour for this past 2 months lol.

 

Loved Ellsworth taking out Braun, funny stuff, that guy is a good actor and Strowman is exceptional in the ring for a big guy, normally people the size of Khali or Big show have a hard time working in the ring, but while Strowman is huge he can still move really well and do things like getting pushed out over the ropes in a fluid motion, that Spear into the "coast 2 coast" though... that was Grim, really hope that Shane o is alright because he is a really charismatic person who I hate to see getting injured like that, the way he coiled up clutching his chest I thought he was going into cardiac arrest after the impact because he took the "spear" almost directly into the middle of his chest. Scary stuff, but overall a really good main event I thought. Started slowly and just built and built right til the WWE logo appeared, great stuff.



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For someone that bought a month of WWE network mostly to see Smackdiwn Live vs Raw which was a decent match. Also bought it for Goldberg and Leznar which wasnt even a real match. Wasted month for me.



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bunchanumbers said:
Is it wrong that I loved the Goldberg/Lesnar match? I hate to say it but I loved watching Lesnar get jobbed.

Nothing wrong with it at all. This needed to happen to bring Brocks character back down to reality. Now people like Cena, Reigns, KO, and others have a chance, because Brock is human again. There was literally no other logical way to bring Brock down from his godly stature. Goldberg is the only person left that could you could even consider seeing beat him. Stone Cold was awesome, but he was not Goldberg when it came to shear dominance. The Rock, again, a great wrestler, great character, but again, not dominate like Goldberg. No one left on the active roster had any chance against him, and it would have been a real joke if one of them had gone over against him at this point in their careers.

WWE did it right. Goldberg is the ultimate force. He is once in a generation. One day, there will be another like him, but for now, he the true legend.



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Ganoncrotch said:
darkknightkryta said:
Poor Spanish announce table

Roman "I want this table, I don't like you guys"... WTF?

Yeah I heard that too, was like... Racism? But it was clearly that the other table wasn't cleared and designed to be put through as in they might have had stuff stored under there which Roman knew about as the ref says something to him immediately before he moves over towards the spanish table, but still he really could have said anything else to avoid sounding racist there lol, and considering he had potentially just killed Shane Mc Mahon he really doesn't need any more bad PR.

Did ye hear the crowd chanting that Roman's sleeping and Wake up Roman while Rollins was fighting 2v1 with the Wyatts, I'd feel bad for Reigns if not for the fact that WWE stuck him to mid card for about 10 mins where he won the belt and now has it down his back like a rag rather than hold it as the Gold that it is, disrespects the work and value which goes into making that belt a legit prize.

As for the final match, was dreading it, figured it was going to be a slow slugfest going on for way too long with Lesnar winning using suplex after suplex, Lesnar lifted half way across the ring with a spear was fantastic to see, didn't ever think the match would go like that, kudos for WWE for the curveball of Brock "no one can beat me" Lesnar, getting just taken apart... little bit of a sickener though that he gets $6m a year and this was the first work he has done in 2 months which was about 3 mins of in ring selling  I mean, it's good work but at the same time if you scaled that up to an hourly rate for his Wrestling time it's $20m per hour for this past 2 months lol.

 

Loved Ellsworth taking out Braun, funny stuff, that guy is a good actor and Strowman is exceptional in the ring for a big guy, normally people the size of Khali or Big show have a hard time working in the ring, but while Strowman is huge he can still move really well and do things like getting pushed out over the ropes in a fluid motion, that Spear into the "coast 2 coast" though... that was Grim, really hope that Shane o is alright because he is a really charismatic person who I hate to see getting injured like that, the way he coiled up clutching his chest I thought he was going into cardiac arrest after the impact because he took the "spear" almost directly into the middle of his chest. Scary stuff, but overall a really good main event I thought. Started slowly and just built and built right til the WWE logo appeared, great stuff.

Braun needs a bit more seasoning.  He should really look into Vader's library.

Lesnar doesn't get paid that, no one probably does.  WWE doesn't give salaries out, it's all speculation at best (Read the same list)

WWE screwed up big time with Reigns.  "Like him because we tell you" isn't going to work...

I'm not actually against that ending.  It' what Goldberg does best.  Kudos for Goldberg looking like he's 30



darkknightkryta said:
Ganoncrotch said:

Yeah I heard that too, was like... Racism? But it was clearly that the other table wasn't cleared and designed to be put through as in they might have had stuff stored under there which Roman knew about as the ref says something to him immediately before he moves over towards the spanish table, but still he really could have said anything else to avoid sounding racist there lol, and considering he had potentially just killed Shane Mc Mahon he really doesn't need any more bad PR.

Did ye hear the crowd chanting that Roman's sleeping and Wake up Roman while Rollins was fighting 2v1 with the Wyatts, I'd feel bad for Reigns if not for the fact that WWE stuck him to mid card for about 10 mins where he won the belt and now has it down his back like a rag rather than hold it as the Gold that it is, disrespects the work and value which goes into making that belt a legit prize.

As for the final match, was dreading it, figured it was going to be a slow slugfest going on for way too long with Lesnar winning using suplex after suplex, Lesnar lifted half way across the ring with a spear was fantastic to see, didn't ever think the match would go like that, kudos for WWE for the curveball of Brock "no one can beat me" Lesnar, getting just taken apart... little bit of a sickener though that he gets $6m a year and this was the first work he has done in 2 months which was about 3 mins of in ring selling  I mean, it's good work but at the same time if you scaled that up to an hourly rate for his Wrestling time it's $20m per hour for this past 2 months lol.

 

Loved Ellsworth taking out Braun, funny stuff, that guy is a good actor and Strowman is exceptional in the ring for a big guy, normally people the size of Khali or Big show have a hard time working in the ring, but while Strowman is huge he can still move really well and do things like getting pushed out over the ropes in a fluid motion, that Spear into the "coast 2 coast" though... that was Grim, really hope that Shane o is alright because he is a really charismatic person who I hate to see getting injured like that, the way he coiled up clutching his chest I thought he was going into cardiac arrest after the impact because he took the "spear" almost directly into the middle of his chest. Scary stuff, but overall a really good main event I thought. Started slowly and just built and built right til the WWE logo appeared, great stuff.

Braun needs a bit more seasoning.  He should really look into Vader's library.

Lesnar doesn't get paid that, no one probably does.  WWE doesn't give salaries out, it's all speculation at best (Read the same list)

WWE screwed up big time with Reigns.  "Like him because we tell you" isn't going to work...

I'm not actually against that ending.  It' what Goldberg does best.  Kudos for Goldberg looking like he's 30

Did you get the line from Strowman to Ellsworth, "don't I know you"

Considering they were both part of Adam Roses Rosebuds for a while lol, wonder if this was a nod to the two Wrestlers time spent partying!

 

And yeah Reigns stuff really just seemed like they were trying to have a repeat of John Cena, where the crowd all cheers or boos him but they're all invested in some way , but with Reigns inability to sell moves done to him it's very tough to care at all, he needs a storyline where he has to be the one you cheer for, put him in a match versus someone completely awful, not HHH manufactured bad guy but someone that crowds dislike 100% the very worst case scenario of doing that will be you get someone over with the crowd by pitting them against Reigns, fuck it you could just use him as that, just use him to get over people with the crowd you who just want to be super baby faces, by having them even lose to Reigns for weeks at a time, you'll still be getting something out fo the guy.



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That Goldberg/Lesnar match was not what I expected at all.
For starters, I thought for sure the Toronto crowd would eat Goldberg alive (Ending Bret's career, plus Brock being a Canada native)
But surprisingly they loved him! Nice!
And the match itself, I wouldn't even call it a match!!
Was not expecting Goldberg to completely humiliate Brock at all, but.... I liked it! I really, really liked it!!!
And from the looks of it, I think I may be the only one who thought the 5 v. 5 Men's Match was amazing.



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