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Soundwave on 12 August 2016
Miyamotoo said:
CarcharodonKraz said:

PRO
1. As mentioned before, the biggest pro is 3rd party support from japan. Project x-zone, bravely default, shin megami tensei, monster hunter, etc... Expect games like this on the console.
2. If BOTW on the wii-u looks at least as good on the nx then we have the nicest graphics ever seen on a handheld, to the point that i might not care it's a handheld hooked up to a tv.
3. I take number 1 back, THIS is the biggest pro. Unified nintendo library. No longer will i long for the days that kid icarus or luigis mansion or mario 3dland  be on a home console. 3rd parties could completely abandon this machine and, theoretically, we would still see a steady flow of games.
4. possible pricepoint of games: A new 3ds game is usually $40. If nx games are even $50 it would be worth celebrating. no see the number 4 con
CON
1. Crushed are the dreams that i can just buy one console to have all my favorite titles. No way in HELL multiplats are coming to this.
2. If we havn't seen things like party chats and industry standard online interactions on nintendo's home consoles by now there's no way there going to start with a handheld.
3. Nintendo handhelds are marketing more to kids than their home consoles are. I'm a little afraid of an overflow of titles like "Nintendogs", "imagin: style savyy" or just a barage of 2d styled games that are going to alienate me from the console. Need more metroid primes, 3d zeldas, 3d marios, splatoons, bravely defaults(2d i know), luigis mansions, and some new 3d designed, imagintive m-rated games (more like dishonored or dark souls, less like COD) on the console.
4. Pricepoint; Are we getting a handheld successor but paying for home console games? Will the new 2d kirby game cost us $60??? Will the price point at least vary on a large degree or are we going to be paying ps4 prices for 3ds games?

This is not just handheld, it has base unit and it will be home console in same time, so you have handheld and home console in NX, so its not fair to call it just handheld.

Personaly I expecting price range betwine $40-60, $40 for games like Mario Tennis, Toad's Treasure Tracker...and $60 for 3D Zelda, 3D Mario, Mario Kart...similar to Wii U pricing. Also this will be NX games not 3DS games.

 

 

Soundwave said:
Pros/cons have been state above but I'll just list the biggest con 

- Who's going to buy a Nintendo "brother" console to a portable? The DS, 3DS, and GBA all outsold their console counterparts but huge margins, now imagine the DS/3DS/GBA were all powerful enough to actually handle Wii/Wii U/GCN ports in their day reasonably well and could play all the same games. The console sales would be even lower. Even if the console has "better graphics", that's about the only thing it'll have. 

IMO a Nintendo "console" in this setup would sell about Wii U levels. 

You realise NX will aim at home console and handheld market in same time, with basicly all Nintendo software on it and with most likly all Japanese 3rd party also on it. So NX will be handheld/home console with Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Monster Hunter, Bravely Default, Yokai Watch, Dragon Quest...3D Mario, 3D Zelda, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, SPlatoon, new Retro game, most likly will have afordible price (expecting around $250), and you expecting Wii U levels of sales!? Most likely only in Japan NX will have Wii U level of sales.

What I was saying was if Nintendo made separate console and handhelds again, in *that* case I can't see the console doing well, because in a unified library why buy the Nintendo console when the portable plays all the same games basically. 



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Miyamotoo on 12 August 2016
Soundwave said:
Miyamotoo said:

This is not just handheld, it has base unit and it will be home console in same time, so you have handheld and home console in NX, so its not fair to call it just handheld.

Personaly I expecting price range betwine $40-60, $40 for games like Mario Tennis, Toad's Treasure Tracker...and $60 for 3D Zelda, 3D Mario, Mario Kart...similar to Wii U pricing. Also this will be NX games not 3DS games.

 

 

You realise NX will aim at home console and handheld market in same time, with basicly all Nintendo software on it and with most likly all Japanese 3rd party also on it. So NX will be handheld/home console with Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Monster Hunter, Bravely Default, Yokai Watch, Dragon Quest...3D Mario, 3D Zelda, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, SPlatoon, new Retro game, most likly will have afordible price (expecting around $250), and you expecting Wii U levels of sales!? Most likely only in Japan NX will have Wii U level of sales.

What I was saying was if Nintendo made separate console and handhelds again, in *that* case I can't see the console doing well, because in a unified library why buy the Nintendo console when the portable plays all the same games basically. 

Sry, my mistake...but even in that case NX home console would sell more than Wii U beacuse Wii U had too many huge mistakes and beacuse of them become worst selling Nintendo console.



Werix357 on 12 August 2016
Soundwave said:
Pros/cons have been state above but I'll just list the biggest con

- Who's going to buy a Nintendo "brother" console to a portable? The DS, 3DS, and GBA all outsold their console counterparts but huge margins, now imagine the DS/3DS/GBA were all powerful enough to actually handle Wii/Wii U/GCN ports in their day reasonably well and could play all the same games. The console sales would be even lower. Even if the console has "better graphics", that's about the only thing it'll have.

IMO a Nintendo "console" in this setup would sell about Wii U levels.

My personal feeling is Nintendo needs to may hay with this portable console setup, it's unique, BUT they need to still give it enough power to credibly be a console.

To that end, I think they should put a very, very high end mobile chip into the chasis. Mobile chips, even the highest end ones are tiny anyway, so that's not an issue. I'm talking a chip that's like 800 GFLOP-1 TFLOP+.

PowerVR already has one called the GT7900 which they were hoping to find a vendor for in a "cheap" micro-console. Nvidia has the Tegra line. The problem with this stuff is its wonderful technology, but no one really needs that much power from a mobile chip, so no one uses this tech. But that's why Nintendo will be able to score this type of chip for cheap because they have great bargaining position.

Now of course that chip can't run at full tilt in battery/portable mode, so it downclocks/shuts down cores automatically when it senses it is in "battery mode".

The system will ship with a "base unit/home dock" which basically just houses a fan (and maybe a bay for a HDD). In "docked mode" the base unit/dock doesn't actually give the NX any extra power, it just provides active cooling for the NX unit so it can now unlock all its cores and run at full speed for TV play.

So voila. 350-400 GFLOP for "portable" mode, 800 GF-1 TFLOP for "home mode". One device. Simple.

Yesah i think you hit the nail on head there.



Mbolibombo on 12 August 2016

#1 Shared Library - lots of Nintendo games on one system that I can play on my Tv, hopefully there's more to NX than we "know" but that is another question.
#2 A bit short on power to attract western third party. It doesnt really matter to me so from a personal standpoint it doesnt matter. But it probably affects sales which affects Nintendo which might affect the longevity of the console.

Those are really the only big things to me at this point. Once we know more I will probably have more pros and cons to mention though.



mountaindewslave on 12 August 2016

pros and cons of a system that has no information officially released, no pictures of a proven prototype, no confirmed informants.

I'd hold off on this kind of thread myself



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Mnementh on 12 August 2016

Pros:
* Pokemon
* Etrian Odyssey
* Monster Hunter
* Shin Megami Tensei
* Bravely Third (or whatever the name)
* Persona QQ
* Dragon Quest

Cons:
* no Witcher
* no No mans Sky
* no Skyrim
* no Souls/Bloodborne



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MrCkurab on 12 August 2016
mountaindewslave said:

pros and cons of a system that has no information officially released, no pictures of a proven prototype, no confirmed informants.

I'd hold off on this kind of thread myself

Which is what i emphasized in the original post: Pros and Cons under the ASSUMPTION that the current Eurogamer rumors are 100% accurate. (Which still is highly unlikely!)
I specifically stated that those are still rumors, this post is more theorising about possibilities, should those rumors (partly?) come true.

Im simply curious where the general consesous lies, and apparently Im not the only one.



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Jumpin on 12 August 2016

Pros:
1. Multiple form factors means a unified library.
2. They will likely sell loads of the portable unit, as Nintendo is generally much stronger in that arena than home console.
3. Street Pass and Miiverse taken to the next level.
4. Tiered hardware makes for a wider access to software, and also more opportunities for enthusiasts to upgrade hardware to the latest and greatest version.

Cons:
Stronger competition: Nintendo has to figure out how to compete with Apple and Samsung more so than Sony and Microsoft. While Microsoft and Sony failed to get into people's pockets, Apple and Samsung are in almost everyone's pockets.



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