I'm undecided about whether to see this at the movies. I would have liked this movie to be an allegory about how we have often used the moral dregs of our societies to do our dirty work while maintaining this veneer of nobility and justice. But it seems like this might just be a superficial action-fest.

While that does make it a success in that it brought in a profit, it's not that much when you consider a few things.  First, the $873M it made does not go all to the studio.  They only see about 55% of the gross, so they got ~$480M.  That may still seem like a lot, but that's nothing when the movie cost ~$400M to produce and market.  It's even worse when you compare it to other super hero matchups, like this year's Civil War, which raked in $1.15B, meaning the studio got ~$633M.  If we say both movies cost $400M to produce and advertise, then WB made about $80M off of SvB, while Disney made about $233M from CW.  And keep and mind WB wants the DC movies to be just as big as Marvel films.  Their movie also had the 2 biggest names in comic book history in the same movie.  And the last two Batman films, with only one of those characters, both made over $1B WW.  In the end, BvS was definitely a disappointment for WB.

To add insult to injury, this year we had Deadpool, which probably only cost ~$100M to produce and advertise, go on to make $783M WW.  Fox made about $331M profit off of that movie, and it was about one guy who isn't exactly the biggest name in comics.  Of course, Fox's other superhero movie, X-Men: Apocalypse, was also a disappointment.  It cost $178M to make, which means probably $250M-$300M when you include marketing, and only made $535M WW.  Which means the studio probably only saw $295M from that.  Personally, I think people are starting to yearn for movies that treat the characters with respect, and try to stay as close to their comic book counterpart as much as possible.  Edit: Another thing to consider is that Deadpool was rated R, like it should have been.  Sure, it meant little kiddies couldn't come and watch, but the adult fans paid them back in spades for being respectful of the source material.

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I saw this happening.  The first pics of Jared Leto turned me off of the film.  Sorry, but that is not Joker.  Just some meth addict's cosplay of him.  Though, I will say that the teaser trailer still peaked my interest.  But, the more and more I saw of the movie in the next trailers and clips just turned me off, again.  And Leto's Joker laugh is God awful.

Considering my moral objection to the film, I am happy.

No, it's not.  It's Angel from Fight Club---the cosplay is just a homework assignment for Project Mayhem. 

Very true.  DC and WB's problem is they saw the way Marvel was raking in all that cash from their cinematic universe, so they rushed to make their own universe.  Problem is, it comes off as rushed.  BvS should have been similar to what you suggested, but instead they crammed like 3 graphic novels worth of story into one film.  It comes off as cliffnotes.  Superman's death also has little to no impact when it's so rushed.  Same goes for the threat of Doomsday.  The death of Superman should have been its own film, and been the fifth or sixth film in the franchise.  Best done as the 2nd JL film. 

There's something Marvel also does that DC doesn't.  Respect the characters they are making movies about.  In DC's movies, these don't seem like the characters jumped off the pages of the book.  Just hollow representations of them, that the studio screws with at will.  Every iteration of Superman I know has a sense of humor, which is good for a god-like being.  He also looks at the lives of everyone, even his enemies, as sacred.  This Superman?  Fuck everyone.  I'll smash the shit out of buildings, even if people are in them.  I won't even attempt to lead Zod away from the city.  I'll destroy someone's property, just cause I don't like them. And who needs humor.  Let's make him as dark and brooding as Batman.

The Batman from the comics has basically the same view on life as Superman.  Even with the Joker causing so much harm and destruction, he couldn't bring himself to kill him.  Here he's supposedly upset at Superman for causing so much destruction and death, yet he goes around killing people and destroying shit, as well.  And I'm not even going to talk about Lex Luthor in the film.  They already know how much they fucked him up, they even tried to BS their way out of it by claiming it's just his son.

The Joker has been fucked beyond all belief.  It's like they just felt he needed to laugh a lot and be energetic and quirky.  There's more to him than that.  And he sure as hell isn't the kind of guy who's going to take time out of his day planning and carrying out destruction and chaos to go sit in a tattoo chair for hours on end, for multiple days, getting the most on the nose, cliched tattoos for that type of character they think he is.  Or have a fucking grill molded to his teeth by a dentist.  Or drive an expensive, flashy car.  It's almost like all they knew about the Joker was that he was flashy and had green hair and ran with that only.  Sure, he's flashy in his dramatics, but not like that.  But, I guess having damaged tattoed on your forehead, wearing a rapper's grill, and driving a Fast and Furious car is just so edgy for this new DC universe.

Lol.  I'd have more respect for them if that turned out to be the twist at the end.  Only for him to be shot and killed by the real Joker. 

If it wouldn't be a big amount of DC fans giving it a 10 on IMDB just to counter the reviews (this happened a lot to this movie, I just have to look at how few 9s it got compared to lower scores and then so many 10s)  the movie would be at a 6.6 or something. Even now it is at 6.9 already and it will sink a little bit more (and end with a score similar to movis like The Wolverine or X-Men: The Last Stand which didn't even get pushed scores by fanboys). That is not really showing a sign of quality to end in that region as superhero movie. 

The top 1000 voters on IMDB gave it a 5.9. 

Not sure why this is considered as something good but I can't find many super hero movies with a lower user score (except those which are total trash) 

There is that big group of DC fans who will give Suicide Squad a 10 (already happened over 6000 times and will happen much more) just like they gave BvS a 10 because they feel as if they have to counter the scores of reviewers (+some thousand who really believe it's a 10).

Well, not sure about Suicide Sqaud, haven't see it yet so maybe it is a good movie and I really believe I will like it more than BvS

Pretty sure the music they used were 90% of the reason it looked good.

Now I wonder why DC even bothered with changing the tone of this movie and the upcoming Justice League.

They made them sound and feel like Marvel movies for no reason at all.

Enjoy your movies being known as "Marvel shitty clones". At least, they were labelled as just "shitty" before they decided to copy Marvel.


This is coming from someone who actually liked BvS and hated every Marvel movie I watched.

I didn't actually like BvS that much, so whatever. 

^ this.

Hard to trust Reviewers when most are too scared to give a honest review of Ghostbuster, out of fear of being labelled as sexist or such.

The trailer for Suicide Squad looked amasing. Im just not sure I trust reviewers that much anymore.