Robert_Downey_Jr. said:
unfortunately they've missed their opportunity to copy Marvel the right way. The tones should stay different. It works better for everyone when there's differentiation. However Dc should have emulated the thing Marvel undoubtedly got right, the structure and order of the films. They should not have had a team up film as their second one. And what's with spoiling all the combat parts of Wonder Woman not even in her own movie? Their order of films should have gone like this 1. The Batman (story of betrayal to lead into BvS and his distrust) 2. Man of Steel (but better and set a couple years after The batman) 3. BvS but with a few tweaks. First off no Doomsday. Second off no WW fighting. Just tease her at the party and returning Bruce's drive. Batman and Superman are starting to be adversarial then Batman figures out he's being set up by Lex. He has a cool way to lure Superman to seeing the same. They proceed to stop Lex from getting the Kryptonian vessel in a small scale final battle with Lex using Kryptonite on Superman and various tech to fight Batman. Ultimately he can't beat them but they find out about Stepenwolf and begin gathering the team. After credits scene or end of movie scene with Wonder Woman looking at the flash drive and her picture. 4. Wonder Woman (first time seeing her in combat and in uniform) |
Very true. DC and WB's problem is they saw the way Marvel was raking in all that cash from their cinematic universe, so they rushed to make their own universe. Problem is, it comes off as rushed. BvS should have been similar to what you suggested, but instead they crammed like 3 graphic novels worth of story into one film. It comes off as cliffnotes. Superman's death also has little to no impact when it's so rushed. Same goes for the threat of Doomsday. The death of Superman should have been its own film, and been the fifth or sixth film in the franchise. Best done as the 2nd JL film.
There's something Marvel also does that DC doesn't. Respect the characters they are making movies about. In DC's movies, these don't seem like the characters jumped off the pages of the book. Just hollow representations of them, that the studio screws with at will. Every iteration of Superman I know has a sense of humor, which is good for a god-like being. He also looks at the lives of everyone, even his enemies, as sacred. This Superman? Fuck everyone. I'll smash the shit out of buildings, even if people are in them. I won't even attempt to lead Zod away from the city. I'll destroy someone's property, just cause I don't like them. And who needs humor. Let's make him as dark and brooding as Batman.
The Batman from the comics has basically the same view on life as Superman. Even with the Joker causing so much harm and destruction, he couldn't bring himself to kill him. Here he's supposedly upset at Superman for causing so much destruction and death, yet he goes around killing people and destroying shit, as well. And I'm not even going to talk about Lex Luthor in the film. They already know how much they fucked him up, they even tried to BS their way out of it by claiming it's just his son.
The Joker has been fucked beyond all belief. It's like they just felt he needed to laugh a lot and be energetic and quirky. There's more to him than that. And he sure as hell isn't the kind of guy who's going to take time out of his day planning and carrying out destruction and chaos to go sit in a tattoo chair for hours on end, for multiple days, getting the most on the nose, cliched tattoos for that type of character they think he is. Or have a fucking grill molded to his teeth by a dentist. Or drive an expensive, flashy car. It's almost like all they knew about the Joker was that he was flashy and had green hair and ran with that only. Sure, he's flashy in his dramatics, but not like that. But, I guess having damaged tattoed on your forehead, wearing a rapper's grill, and driving a Fast and Furious car is just so edgy for this new DC universe.
