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America

Is greater than ever 42 18.92%
 
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AlfredoTurkey on 28 July 2016
JRPGfan said:
AlfredoTurkey said:

This may be over simplifing it but, if someone is rich, there is no better country on earth to live in. If someone is poor and wants to get rich, again, there is no better country to live in. If, however, someone is poor and is going to remain poor for the rest of their lives, the US is a horrible place to live. Social services are almost nonexistent. Health care is still treated like a luxary. Great schools as well... it's just not a place to live if someone intends on living with government assistance.

^ thats actually a lie.

Europe is the place that "grows" most poor->rich, pr capita.

By alot, many more times than america, simply because getting a education is free here (and starting a bussiness is easier here).

I saw a video that asked a socialogical question "where is the best place in the world to get rich?".

The answear wasnt america.

 

I would have to disagree with you and anyone who says otherwise. The US is the wild west. You can come here and rip people off almost without consequence. Compared to the EU, the US is totally unregulated. Getting rich is the goal and the only goal. Shady business practices are encouraged. It's not "fucking people over" it's "living the dream". Google, Apple, Microsoft... this is the land for sociopathic individuals. Donald Trump? Need I say more?

I don't know you personally, but it sounds like you have trouble handling the fact that we excel in anything which hopefully, isn't the truth. Everywhere excels in something. Where we're the best in one area, the EU is better in another. Life isn't black and white.



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JRPGfan on 28 July 2016
AlfredoTurkey said:
JRPGfan said:

^ thats actually a lie.

Europe is the place that "grows" most poor->rich, pr capita.

By alot, many more times than america, simply because getting a education is free here (and starting a bussiness is easier here).

I saw a video that asked a socialogical question "where is the best place in the world to get rich?".

The answear wasnt america.

 

I would have to disagree with you and anyone who says otherwise. The US is the wild west. You can come here and rip people off almost without consequence. Compared to the EU, the US is totally unregulated. Getting rich is the goal and the only goal. Shady business practices are encouraged. It's no "fucking people over" it's "living the dream". Google, Apple, Microsoft... this is the land for sociopathic individuals. Donald Trump? Need I say more?

I don't know you personally, but it sounds like you have trouble handling the fact that we excel in anything which hopefully, isn't the truth. Everywhere excels in something. Where we're the best in one area, the EU is better in another. Life isn't black and white.

Maybe.... but FACTs say you are wrong.

There are more Self made rich people, in europe than in the US.

Theres also many times more poor -> rich, in europe than the US.

 

Watch the video if you dont believe me. These are facts.

This guy has a pHD in sociology and researched these numbers.

He did it because he wanted to know "where was the easiest place to get rich" (the american dream).

Turns out its not in the US.



AlfredoTurkey on 28 July 2016
JRPGfan said:
AlfredoTurkey said:

I would have to disagree with you and anyone who says otherwise. The US is the wild west. You can come here and rip people off almost without consequence. Compared to the EU, the US is totally unregulated. Getting rich is the goal and the only goal. Shady business practices are encouraged. It's no "fucking people over" it's "living the dream". Google, Apple, Microsoft... this is the land for sociopathic individuals. Donald Trump? Need I say more?

I don't know you personally, but it sounds like you have trouble handling the fact that we excel in anything which hopefully, isn't the truth. Everywhere excels in something. Where we're the best in one area, the EU is better in another. Life isn't black and white.

Maybe.... but FACTs say you are wrong.

There are more Self made rich people, in europe than in the US.

Theres almost many times more poor -> rich, in europe than the US.

 

Watch the video if you dont believe me. These are facts.

Facts? Google, perhaps? which country has the most millionaires.



Mr Puggsly on 28 July 2016
chapset said:
When white men had all the power and could do whatever they wanted while the minorities and women had to shut the fuc* up

Amen!

But seriously, I think he's referring to a period when making a living was arguably easier. However, quality of life for the poor is better than its ever been. Especially if you don't make dumb decisions like shit out a bunch of babies with no job skills.

Bottomline, there is alot of rhetoric coming from both left and right. People just focus on Trump for obvious reasons.



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Normchacho on 28 July 2016
AlfredoTurkey said:
JRPGfan said:

Maybe.... but FACTs say you are wrong.

There are more Self made rich people, in europe than in the US.

Theres almost many times more poor -> rich, in europe than the US.

 

Watch the video if you dont believe me. These are facts.

Facts? Google, perhaps? which country has the most millionaires.

That isn't a measure of economic mobility.



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JustcallmeRiff on 28 July 2016
outlawauron said:
JustcallmeRiff said:

People use American exceptionalism to justify atrocities by American to maintain it's military and economic interests. I want America to have the best education system in the world instead of the biggest military budget in the world.

That's perfectly fine if that's what you want. These people want the government's primary responsibility to be infrastructure and defending its citizens. Everything else is secondary.

The government's responsibility is to Ensure life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.that if you read the Constitution.



Locknuts on 28 July 2016
JustcallmeRiff said:
Locknuts said:

All that fucking woman talks about is her struggle as a black person. Her and that lanky husband of hers need to get over their victim mentality. 

They're only the most powerful couple in the world!

Them being the most powerful couple was the point. It is sad that "victim mentality" was your take away from that comment. You could watch the speech for better context. Based on your preconceived notions I won't be holding my breath.

What preconceived notions?



Dark_Lord_2008 on 28 July 2016

America was great during the first half of the 20th century profiteering from two world wars and emerging as the world's economic super power. America was at its peak during the 1950s and 1960s. Since the 1970s America, incompetent US Presidents adopting bad economic policies have resulted in the decline of the American economy.



jason1637 on 28 July 2016

It's great now but it's not as great as it was in the 1990s.



Soundwave on 29 July 2016
Dark_Lord_2008 said:
America was great during the first half of the 20th century profiteering from two world wars and emerging as the world's economic super power. America was at its peak during the 1950s and 1960s. Since the 1970s America, incompetent US Presidents adopting bad economic policies have resulted in the decline of the American economy.

It's not the decline of the US economy it's simply that other countries got competetive.

It's easy to win a basketball game when you're playing against 2nd graders. Not so easy when countries like Japan and China are making products that are either 

A) Far better in quality (even Americans used to turn their nose up to American cars and electronics, always buy Japanese if you want quality, etc.)

B) Or similar quality to American products but far cheaper like China, Taiwan, India, etc. can make. 

That and the economic engine of Europe (Germany) was split in two during the Cold War, with the end of the Cold War and also the re-emergence of Russia in the open market (and China too) things have changed dramatically.