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Scisca on 28 June 2016

I just hope NX will get all the good Wii U games - either ports of bc, I don't care. I'm excited for this console.

In fact when I look at the list of future purchases that I'm saving for it's on the 2nd place:

1. RX 480
2. NX
3. Yamaha MT 07

Can't wait to get all three items



Wii U is a GCN 2 - I called it months before the release!

My Vita to-buy list: The Walking Dead, Persona 4 Golden, Need for Speed: Most Wanted, TearAway, Ys: Memories of Celceta, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, History: Legends of War, FIFA 13, Final Fantasy HD X, X-2, Worms Revolution Extreme, The Amazing Spiderman, Batman: Arkham Origins Blackgate - too many no-gaemz :/

My consoles: PS2 Slim, PS3 Slim 320 GB, PSV 32 GB, Wii, DSi.

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Miyamotoo on 28 June 2016
Soundwave said:
Miyamotoo said:

If they relly want XB1/PS4 ports (and I think they want because they know they can't have successful console without 3rd party), they need at least power of XB1. Wii U had 1GB RAM reserved for OS, so we can assume that NX will have at least 1.5GB for OS, and 2.5GB RAM is definatly too low for easy XB1/PS4 ports and most likly 900/1080p resolution.

I dont think they will go for expensive gimmick again after Wii U. In 2017. they can easily have console with some kind of gimmick, power of at least XB1 (most likly around PS4) with price point of $299 and to have profit on each sold unit.

I've lowered my expectations for Nintendo hardware, the Wii U could've had a much, much better GPU and they chose something relatively weak then too. 

I'd be OK with 1 TFLOP + 4-5GB of RAM, I don't think third parties are going to sell a lot of games on the NX anyway. Hardware power is only about half the equation, the other half is Nintendo doesn't have any of the demographics that buy the bigger selling third party software, and somehow I doubt the Grand Theft Auto or Madden NFL crowd is going to make a Nintendo system flooded with Disney-styled cartoony mascot games and Amiibo toys their go to system. 

With Wii U they go for 720p gaming and regarding that Wii U done good job, not to mentone that moste of Nintendo Wii U games are 720p/60fps. With NX they will most likely go for 1080p gaming, that means at least XB1 hardware power, also similar power and architecture to XB1/PS4 means easy 3rd party ports.

Its not point if 3rd party will sell good on NX, its point about having good support for NX so that you can win some people that dont want to play just Nintendo games and that want to have some Fifa or CoD alongside Mario and Zelda. 3rd party support means that platform is more appeal for people that are not just hardcore Nintendo fans. Nintendo after Wii U is very aware fact they can't have successful platform without 3rd party, especially today when 3rd party games are more stronger and important than ever before.

Why would they choice 4 GB of RAM if RAM is today very cheap and it can mean a lot for 3rd party ports!? IMO NX can have only 4GB of RAM if NX actually is some kind of hybrid that you can use like handheld or connect to TV and use it like home console. If NX is actually home console I cant see they going for less than 6GB RAM in any case.



Soundwave on 28 June 2016
Miyamotoo said:
Soundwave said:

I've lowered my expectations for Nintendo hardware, the Wii U could've had a much, much better GPU and they chose something relatively weak then too. 

I'd be OK with 1 TFLOP + 4-5GB of RAM, I don't think third parties are going to sell a lot of games on the NX anyway. Hardware power is only about half the equation, the other half is Nintendo doesn't have any of the demographics that buy the bigger selling third party software, and somehow I doubt the Grand Theft Auto or Madden NFL crowd is going to make a Nintendo system flooded with Disney-styled cartoony mascot games and Amiibo toys their go to system. 

With Wii U they go for 720p gaming and regarding that Wii U done good job, not to mentone that moste of Nintendo Wii U games are 720p/60fps. With NX they will most likely go for 1080p gaming, that means at least XB1 hardware power, also similar power and architecture to XB1/PS4 means easy 3rd party ports.

Its not point if 3rd party will sell good on NX, its point about having good support for NX so that you can win some people that dont want to play just Nintendo games and that want to have some Fifa or CoD alongside Mario and Zelda. 3rd party support means that platform is more appeal for people that are not just hardcore Nintendo fans. Nintendo after Wii U is very aware fact they can't have successful platform without 3rd party, especially today when 3rd party games are more stronger and important than ever before.

Why would they choice 4 GB of RAM if RAM is today very cheap and it can mean a lot for 3rd party ports!? IMO NX can have only 4GB of RAM if NX actually is some kind of hybrid that you can use like handheld or connect to TV and use it like home console. If NX is actually home console I cant see they going for less than 6GB RAM in any case.

I'm not really sure this is a conventional console. The way Nintendo speaks about it indicates something that is quite different, perhaps, yes, hybrid like or semi-mobile or something like that. 

I don't think it's just a simply console that plugs in under the TV and just a moderately different controller, I think this is something pretty different. 

At this point it's probably their best bet anyway, they have zero chance of competing with the PS4/XB1 coming so late that both Sony/MS even have upgraded consoles that are leagues better than those machines. 

A wacky/crazy machine at this point is probably Nintendo's only realistic option. While the odds are low maybe they can hit paydirt in the gimmick sweepstakes again for a few years. 

My hope is for a moderate hardware upgrade. Nintendo's games already look great on the Wii U, something a good 3-4x better than that would be at least reasonable for me. A lot better than the GCN-to-Wii jump ... that was basically just re-packaing old hardware, throwing in a $20 plastic controller, and charging 2.5x the price, which really was bullshit. 



fedfed on 28 June 2016

VR - 3D - 4K - Ultra HD.



Switch!!!

Airaku on 28 June 2016
Miyamotoo said:
                                         

How can be bullshit if you don't know what that idea or new concept is!?

Offcourse Nintendo can complete with specs, but they choice not to, Sony and MS are fighting with specs while Nintendo trying to do something difrent. Imagine if NX would try to compete with specs with PS4 Neo and XB Scorpio, NX would need to have price point of around $500, and $500 Nintendo console in middle of generation means that would sell less than Wii U actualy sold.

No one knows what the concept is. Which is why I more or less said it could be for better or worse. I just want a good Nintendo console. That's it. I loved the Wii U and played the shit out of it for a year and when a great game came out. The Wii had lots of fantastic games. Neither were my main console of choice like the Game Cube was. A lot of the fans want the 90's back.




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Miyamotoo on 28 June 2016
Soundwave said:
Miyamotoo said:

With Wii U they go for 720p gaming and regarding that Wii U done good job, not to mentone that moste of Nintendo Wii U games are 720p/60fps. With NX they will most likely go for 1080p gaming, that means at least XB1 hardware power, also similar power and architecture to XB1/PS4 means easy 3rd party ports.

Its not point if 3rd party will sell good on NX, its point about having good support for NX so that you can win some people that dont want to play just Nintendo games and that want to have some Fifa or CoD alongside Mario and Zelda. 3rd party support means that platform is more appeal for people that are not just hardcore Nintendo fans. Nintendo after Wii U is very aware fact they can't have successful platform without 3rd party, especially today when 3rd party games are more stronger and important than ever before.

Why would they choice 4 GB of RAM if RAM is today very cheap and it can mean a lot for 3rd party ports!? IMO NX can have only 4GB of RAM if NX actually is some kind of hybrid that you can use like handheld or connect to TV and use it like home console. If NX is actually home console I cant see they going for less than 6GB RAM in any case.

I'm not really sure this is a conventional console. The way Nintendo speaks about it indicates something that is quite different, perhaps, yes, hybrid like or semi-mobile or something like that. 

I don't think it's just a simply console that plugs in under the TV and just a moderately different controller, I think this is something pretty different. 

At this point it's probably their best bet anyway, they have zero chance of competing with the PS4/XB1 coming so late that both Sony/MS even have upgraded consoles that are leagues better than those machines. 

A wacky/crazy machine at this point is probably Nintendo's only realistic option. While the odds are low maybe they can hit paydirt in the gimmick sweepstakes again for a few years. 

My hope is for a moderate hardware upgrade. Nintendo's games already look great on the Wii U, something a good 3-4x better than that would be at least reasonable for me. A lot better than the GCN-to-Wii jump ... that was basically just re-packaing old hardware, throwing in a $20 plastic controller, and charging 2.5x the price, which really was bullshit. 

Just unified platform would make NX very different console than any other, new concept and new idea doesn't mean that console can't be traditional in same time. I think it's tradinaul console but with unified platform and probably some other gimmick. And that in any case dosesnt mean that NX with all that cant easily outpoform XB1 for $300 price point.

Like I sad, I expecting unified platform, with maybe another gimmick, with power between XB1-PS4 and price point $249-299.



Jranation on 28 June 2016
Soundwave said:

They may as well go with a gimmick focused console at this point, they simply can't compete with Neo/Scorpio on power so that opening is basically closed to them.

I just hope the chipset isn't a complete piece of crap like the Wii was. Gimme 1 TFLOP + 4GB of RAM (which is freaking low) and I'll be OK, that's at least a decent upgrade over the Wii U.

Whatever the gimmick is it better be something spectacular and easy to understand. 

Yeah, I agree with you there. 



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AZWification on 28 June 2016

Hopefully that idea won't be a total failure like the WiiU GamePad was. Wasn't good for anything other than web browsing, Splatoon and Mario Maker.



                
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DonFerrari on 28 June 2016

So it would be a lot harder to deliver a HW that is illogical and don't get technical advancements? Hope they don't end up with another WiiU revolution. And that is the only reason they are taking long, because since WiiU wasn't successful they can't just upgrade it, they have to change everything, you can see that WiiU succeeded Wii a lot faster because they though they could keep the formula.



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curl-6 on 28 June 2016
DonFerrari said:
So it would be a lot harder to deliver a HW that is illogical and don't get technical advancements? Hope they don't end up with another WiiU revolution. And that is the only reason they are taking long, because since WiiU wasn't successful they can't just upgrade it, they have to change everything, you can see that WiiU succeeded Wii a lot faster because they though they could keep the formula.

?

Wii was succeeded after 6 years on the market, Wii U will be succeeded by NX after less than four and a half.