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Forums - Nintendo Discussion - It's November 21st 2016. The NX is out and more powerful than the PS4. Are 3rd parties on board?

 

3rd party multiplats

Support the NX 224 41.87%
 
Ignore the NX 311 58.13%
 
Total:535
Wyrdness on 06 January 2016
oniyide said:

thats an odd game to compare them too, as its not like Rayman did gangbusters on Wii U anyway. It was still outsold by the PS3 AND PS4 version. Sure we could use the excuse that PS3 has a bigger user base(not what people were saying when they swore teh Wii U one would sell the best since thats the "definitive" version but i digress). But whats PS4 excuse? it came out later.

Edit: on another note, 3rd parties approach to Nintendo was never the problem. Nintendo's approach to 3rd parties is the issue, the onus is on Ninty to get those games on the system if they so choose. 3rd parties are not obligated to jump through hoops to support one platform especially when it has already been proven that they could do much better on 3 other platforms

 


What exactly is your point here in context to the post you replied to? Of all 7 platforms Wii U was 3rd best selling so?

As for third parties no amount of help from Nintendo would convince the userbase to buy games from developers who don't want to try.



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Miyamotoo on 06 January 2016

People forgetting that 3rd party were even on board on Wii U at launch, but they all abandoned Wii U in first year after terrible sales.
If NX actual sale and have similar PS4/X1 architecture and power that lead to easy ports, they will probably stay this time.



Wyrdness on 06 January 2016
wombat123 said:

I would argue that one of the biggest reasons Rayman sold well in comparison to COD is that Rayman Legends was a featured title during the Wii U's launch and in a genre (platformers) that Nintendo created a large audience for.

Speaking of CoD, it makes me wonder why Nintendo didn't do more to help grow the 1st person shooter audience on Nintendo platforms when there was a definite demand that was cultivated by Rare and Acclaim during the N64 era with games like Goldeneye, Perfect Dark and Turok.

The's a shooter base there just not on that's into yearly shooters like COD or your typical mainstream shooters, the games you mentioned aren't really the same as the shooters today. Splatoon did well because it's not like other shooters, no matter how much you push for something you can't force people's tastes, Rayman did well simply because it fell more into the line of the audience's taste not to mention it was the first known Wii U game as it was leaked most likely by Ubi themselves.

For a shooter to gather some interest the developer themselves would have to come up with something that isn't typical while maintaining good quality, Nintendo can't help them with that.



Thunderbird77 on 06 January 2016
oniyide said:
Wyrdness said:
Nope or at least not western ones, graphics were never the issue it was just an excuse they moved onto, the problem is that the way third parties themselves have approached Nintendo platforms has lead to the userbase mainly buying them exclusively for what comes from Nintendo themselves and the people who fall in this category have a very distinct taste in gaming. This means that the likes of COD and AC won't sell that well let alone every year because people aren't buying the platform for yearly installments, Rayman Legends on Wii U outsold both COD games on the same platform combined for reference.

This means third parties will always be reluctant no matter what, the second issue is business approach, Nintendo uses an approach where they make money in the long run on sales which is the opposite of the AAA craze most developers cling to as with the latter most sales are needed upfront to recover costs. This again is where userbase is an issue as they don't rush out to buy the games day 1 they buy them over time hence why first party games display long legs when it comes to sales.

The only third parties I can see being on board would eastern developers as Nintendo are indestructible in Japan and even with the Wii U not being handled properly they're on a tear over there, if NX has a portable variant that's also executed right then it's no contest third parties will be on board.

thats an odd game to compare them too, as its not like Rayman did gangbusters on Wii U anyway. It was still outsold by the PS3 AND PS4 version. Sure we could use the excuse that PS3 has a bigger user base(not what people were saying when they swore teh Wii U one would sell the best since thats the "definitive" version but i digress). But whats PS4 excuse? it came out later.

Edit: on another note, 3rd parties approach to Nintendo was never the problem. Nintendo's approach to 3rd parties is the issue, the onus is on Ninty to get those games on the system if they so choose. 3rd parties are not obligated to jump through hoops to support one platform especially when it has already been proven that they could do much better on 3 other platforms

ps4 installed base grew faster and rayman isn't front loaded. not surprising that it surpassed the wii u version. Still impressive that rayman on wii u beat the 360 version and almost tied with the ps3 one.





KungKras on 06 January 2016

Third parties bankrupted themselves in order to support the HD twins over the cheap-to-develop-for Wii.

I rest my case.

some third parties are better than others tough. I think Nintendo need to have some successful consoles in a row, and international first party studios before the industry will begin to treat them more fairly.



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Saeko on 06 January 2016

Unless there is a new fire emblem or a exclusive Atlus game, i gonna ignore NX first years.



Soundwave on 06 January 2016

If it's cheap/easy to make ports and it's more powerful than a PS4, then yes. It will probably have a lot of third party ports simply because it's easy for third parties to do so.

Third parties don't "hate" Nintendo, they just can't be expected to be best friends with Nintendo. Like we can be "friends", but don't expect me drive 45 minutes across the city to pick you up and drive you to a party and then have to drive you back afterwards. We're friendly but we're not *that* friendly.

Nintendo has forced third parties to have to go out of their way to support them with underpowered hardware compared to industry standards of the time. That's always been the root of the issue.



oniyide on 06 January 2016
wombat123 said:
Wyrdness said:
Nope or at least not western ones, graphics were never the issue it was just an excuse they moved onto, the problem is that the way third parties themselves have approached Nintendo platforms has lead to the userbase mainly buying them exclusively for what comes from Nintendo themselves and the people who fall in this category have a very distinct taste in gaming. This means that the likes of COD and AC won't sell that well let alone every year because people aren't buying the platform for yearly installments, Rayman Legends on Wii U outsold both COD games on the same platform combined for reference.

This means third parties will always be reluctant no matter what, the second issue is business approach, Nintendo uses an approach where they make money in the long run on sales which is the opposite of the AAA craze most developers cling to as with the latter most sales are needed upfront to recover costs. This again is where userbase is an issue as they don't rush out to buy the games day 1 they buy them over time hence why first party games display long legs when it comes to sales.

The only third parties I can see being on board would eastern developers as Nintendo are indestructible in Japan and even with the Wii U not being handled properly they're on a tear over there, if NX has a portable variant that's also executed right then it's no contest third parties will be on board.

I would argue that one of the biggest reasons Rayman sold well in comparison to COD is that Rayman Legends was a featured title during the Wii U's launch and in a genre (platformers) that Nintendo created a large audience for.

Speaking of CoD, it makes me wonder why Nintendo didn't do more to help grow the 1st person shooter audience on Nintendo platforms when there was a definite demand that was cultivated by Rare and Acclaim during the N64 era with games like Goldeneye, Perfect Dark and Turok.

 

N64 was years ago, i think its way too late to do anything about that, those two companies arent even around anymore at least not in there original form.



Soundwave on 06 January 2016
KungKras said:
Third parties bankrupted themselves in order to support the HD twins over the cheap-to-develop-for Wii.

I rest my case.

some third parties are better than others tough. I think Nintendo need to have some successful consoles in a row, and international first party studios before the industry will begin to treat them more fairly.

 

What were third parties supposed to do? Not support the PS3 and 360 and hope gamers would be satisfied with SD graphics forever? They were going to have to switch to higher end HD gamers sooner or later. Even Nintendo themselves also had issues trying to sell "epic" traditional style games on the Wii like Metroid Prime 3 had unimpressive sales relative to its userbase, things like Sin & Punishment and Xenoblade were not big sellers either. 



oniyide on 06 January 2016
Cobretti2 said:
oniyide said:

thats an odd game to compare them too, as its not like Rayman did gangbusters on Wii U anyway. It was still outsold by the PS3 AND PS4 version. Sure we could use the excuse that PS3 has a bigger user base(not what people were saying when they swore teh Wii U one would sell the best since thats the "definitive" version but i digress). But whats PS4 excuse? it came out later.

Edit: on another note, 3rd parties approach to Nintendo was never the problem. Nintendo's approach to 3rd parties is the issue, the onus is on Ninty to get those games on the system if they so choose. 3rd parties are not obligated to jump through hoops to support one platform especially when it has already been proven that they could do much better on 3 other platforms

 

From memory some Nintendo fans had a PMS moment and said they will not buy the game any more because it was delayed LOL.

On the other side of the coin they did not acknowledge that when Ubisoft delayed Rayman, they also annouced three other games on Wii U that were multiplatforms as a gesture of good faith. I was stocked to see Assasins Creed IV, Watch Dogs and Splinter Cell annouced. 

if that is true then thats on them. But i imagine that only a small amount actually did that. I dont think it would have mattered, this whole Rayman on Ninty thing some fans been pushing has been odd, and i have yet to see evidence to back it up. Raving Rabbids did well but that was a spin off of the series, that was the type of game that was doing well on WIi anyway. but proper Rayman? Rayman is popular in Europe, you know who else is popular in Europe? (Sony) how else does one explain how Origins could sell almost twice as much on PS3 than Wii despite being a more expensive version and having a smaller user base? Or the PS4 version outselling all others (by a good margin) despite being months late?

To be fair WD and SC were real late porths, dont know what the hell happened with AC4 though