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Not sure, but Smash 4 is definitely more accepted than Brawl :p

The roster is definitely huge so it should have a good chance



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bigtakilla said:

By this I mean is this going to be the game that will literally forever be recognized as the best? It finally got the competitive Smashers off of Melee and for good reason. The fighter lineup is absolutely insane, and the amount of content is ridiculous. It's to the point where I feel it can never reasonably be beaten out by another title in  this series. What do you guys think? How can they possibly top Smash Wii U?

 

That is a ridiculous claim with absolutely nothing to support it. Melee is bigger than ever before precisely because the gameplay is so different from Brawl and Smash 4. Very few top Melee players play Smash 4 even on a casual level.

Let's talk numbers. The greatest smash tournaments in terms of participants are:

1. Smash 4: EVO 2015 - 1,926 (July 2015)

2. Melee: EVO 2015 - 1,869 (July 2015)

3. Melee: Genesis 3 - 1,734+ (January 2016)

4. Melee: The Big House 5 - 1,317 (October 2015

5. Melee: Apex 2015 - 1,037 (January 2015)

6. Smash 4: Genesis 3 - 982+ (January 2016)

7. Melee: Evo 2014 - 970 (July 2014)

8. Smash 4: Apex 2015 - 837 (January 2015)

 

With these numbers in mind it is quite clear that Melee remains the favorite in the competitive scene. Any other claim is just wishful thinking.



IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

 

That is a ridiculous claim with absolutely nothing to support it. Melee is bigger than ever before precisely because the gameplay is so different from Brawl and Smash 4. Very few top Melee players play Smash 4 even on a casual level.

Let's talk numbers. The greatest smash tournaments in terms of participants are:

1. Smash 4: EVO 2015 - 1,926 (July 2015)

2. Melee: EVO 2015 - 1,869 (July 2015)

3. Melee: Genesis 3 - 1,734+ (January 2016)

4. Melee: The Big House 5 - 1,317 (October 2015

5. Melee: Apex 2015 - 1,037 (January 2015)

6. Smash 4: Genesis 3 - 982+ (January 2016)

7. Melee: Evo 2014 - 970 (July 2014)

8. Smash 4: Apex 2015 - 837 (January 2015)

 

With these numbers in mind it is quite clear that Melee remains the favorite in the competitive scene. Any other claim is just wishful thinking.

 

No offence mate but he's right Smash 4 for many tournaments this year has had a bigger presence, these tournaments include the likes of NEC last week, Norcal Regionals, Canada Cup and even Evo which are all huge tournaments as far as competitive fighting goes. Melee is bigger then before but it's no longer the go to game and mind you this is only the first year for Smash 4 and it beat out Melee in the biggest tournament of the year Evo, that number alone actually proves his point in a way.



DivinePaladin said:
Once most of the melee stragglers stop going, yes. But there are many competitive melee players who refuse to acknowledge Smash 4 or outright trashing it because it's not exactly like melee. But now that there are some really good newcomers to the competitive scene, melee's lasting power might not be as strong.

Melee is VII because it's the one more people experienced first to get them into the series. vi is the better game, and that's Smash 4.

 

Outside of the people I hang with that go to tournaments, Shokio is a big tournament Smash player and he made the switch. I think initially there was some skepticism, but after all is said and done and all the players get released it's going to be a force that is simply undeniable.



Smash 4 is not the FF VII as I dont think FF VII is the best in that series. Smash 4 set the standards high so in a broader audience, I think it tops Smash Melee.

on the competitive scene, i believe it should just be Smash 4 now, Melee should be dropped. Other fighting games like SF, Tekken, etc. they normally use the latest game for tournaments, so what's with Melee.
I know there are those top 4 players in Melee, they should really jump to Smash 4 and prove that a different meta in HD, they can perform on a top level.



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At EVO it was Melee was played at it. Not Brawl or the first one, Melee.

... think about that.



Hmm, pie.

Wyrdness said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

 

That is a ridiculous claim with absolutely nothing to support it. Melee is bigger than ever before precisely because the gameplay is so different from Brawl and Smash 4. Very few top Melee players play Smash 4 even on a casual level.

Let's talk numbers. The greatest smash tournaments in terms of participants are:

1. Smash 4: EVO 2015 - 1,926 (July 2015)

2. Melee: EVO 2015 - 1,869 (July 2015)

3. Melee: Genesis 3 - 1,734+ (January 2016)

4. Melee: The Big House 5 - 1,317 (October 2015

5. Melee: Apex 2015 - 1,037 (January 2015)

6. Smash 4: Genesis 3 - 982+ (January 2016)

7. Melee: Evo 2014 - 970 (July 2014)

8. Smash 4: Apex 2015 - 837 (January 2015)

 

With these numbers in mind it is quite clear that Melee remains the favorite in the competitive scene. Any other claim is just wishful thinking.

 

No offence mate but he's right Smash 4 for many tournaments this year has had a bigger presence, these tournaments include the likes of NEC last week, Norcal Regionals, Canada Cup and even Evo which are all huge tournaments as far as competitive fighting goes. Melee is bigger then before but it's no longer the go to game and mind you this is only the first year for Smash 4 and it beat out Melee in the biggest tournament of the year Evo, I also don't know why you're using 2014's numbers when Smash 4 only arrived much later in that year.

 

Evo always benefits newer games. Melee in particular is especially difficult for new players to get into since no new discs are made and CRT's are used in competitive settings. The fact that Melee was only 57 entrants behind a game that recently released is nothing short of phenomenal.

One must also keep in mind that Brawl actually had a bigger competitive scene than Melee for years after its release. A game which is now bashed left and right by Melee and Smash 4 players alike. Smash 4 on the other hand has already shown a weaker presence than Melee at the year's largest tournaments, excluding Evo. Some less prestiguous tournaments such as the ones you mention and Super Smash Con give the edge to Smash 4, yes, but this is typical for newer games since they attract more players who are new to the competitive scene, and who are less likely to go back after the game has gotten older. In fact, if the pattern repeats itself, Smash 4 is likely to die out when Smash 5 is released, as the top professionals move over.

 

As for why I included 2014 numbers, I made it quite clear what type of list I provided.



gabzjmm23 said:
Smash 4 is not the FF VII as I dont think FF VII is the best in that series. Smash 4 set the standards high so in a broader audience, I think it tops Smash Melee.

on the competitive scene, i believe it should just be Smash 4 now, Melee should be dropped. Other fighting games like SF, Tekken, etc. they normally use the latest game for tournaments, so what's with Melee.
I know there are those top 4 players in Melee, they should really jump to Smash 4 and prove that a different meta in HD, they can perform on a top level.

 


Melee attracts thousands of viewers and participants. Suggesting that the game should be dropped at this point is simply childish.

"What's with Melee?" The gameplay is deep, fast-paced and perfectly suited as a spectator sport. Look up tournament sets of all different Smash games on youtube and you will see the vast differences in how the games are played. Melee is more offensive, Brawl is more defensive and Smash 4 is somewhere between the two, depending on matchups and other factors. The games may be part of the same series but their many differences and different top players justify including more than one game per tournament.



the meta changes,if you are a gamer on that series and you love it, EVO players accept it and play the new one, and try to be great at. in a few years the version would be drop and those gamers wanted to know on that meta and try to be the best. i don't see it as childish.

i'm just saying all other fighting games moved on from their great previous versions.



Wyrdness said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

 

That is a ridiculous claim with absolutely nothing to support it. Melee is bigger than ever before precisely because the gameplay is so different from Brawl and Smash 4. Very few top Melee players play Smash 4 even on a casual level.

Let's talk numbers. The greatest smash tournaments in terms of participants are:

1. Smash 4: EVO 2015 - 1,926 (July 2015)

2. Melee: EVO 2015 - 1,869 (July 2015)

3. Melee: Genesis 3 - 1,734+ (January 2016)

4. Melee: The Big House 5 - 1,317 (October 2015

5. Melee: Apex 2015 - 1,037 (January 2015)

6. Smash 4: Genesis 3 - 982+ (January 2016)

7. Melee: Evo 2014 - 970 (July 2014)

8. Smash 4: Apex 2015 - 837 (January 2015)

 

With these numbers in mind it is quite clear that Melee remains the favorite in the competitive scene. Any other claim is just wishful thinking.

 

No offence mate but he's right Smash 4 for many tournaments this year has had a bigger presence, these tournaments include the likes of NEC last week, Norcal Regionals, Canada Cup and even Evo which are all huge tournaments as far as competitive fighting goes. Melee is bigger then before but it's no longer the go to game and mind you this is only the first year for Smash 4 and it beat out Melee in the biggest tournament of the year Evo, that number alone actually proves his point in a way.

 

Exactly, and with Ryu, Cloud, Mega Man, Bayonetta, and Pac Man as new 3rd party characters, and Shulk and Lucina as new 1st party I can only see the Smash Wii U community getting bigger and bigger.