Puppyroach said:
97alexk said:
About 1% ? No, way way way more are member of islam. Islam ideology is not a religion of peace as media wants you to tell. I know you said its also violence.
Here: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm
Thats the quaran, go under the section 2:191-193. Thats what the quaran teaches. Radical christian party? you mean sweden democrats? that actually care about our country? They had some radical members, but Sweden democrats politcs are needed in this self destructive behaviour sweden is in right now. Im mostly against all religion, but christanity is atleast been a long time in sweden, even though i also think its bad. Islam though is new. Yeah, let a christian majority merge with islam. What could possibly go wrong. You think sweden is succesfull because of immigration? if that would be the case we would be rich as fu** right about now, but no. Our own financial minister wanted to lend money now, for the huge immigration crisis. No more houses and beds for the refugees to sleep in. Most refugees are muslims. At the end of 2015 it will be estimated 200 000 immigrants will have come in only in 2015. Yes that will surely make sweden rich and more cultural. Multiculturism has failed. Sweden, south africa, and in USA, it has failed at many levels. And the immigrant filled suburbs in sweden are growing, and there are going to be more conflicts in these neighbourhoods, Just as rosengård, or rinkeby. Sweden rape has also gone up, and statistics show that muslims are the majorty behind it. There are mutiple articles about this. If you want to look through all options to prevent rape and crime. you have to take this into account. In my view, anyone who denies this, is the biggot
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Well, according to the governmental board for support of religious communities (nämnden för statligt stöd till trossamfund), muslim communities has about 110000 members. However, about 450000 people come from countries with mainly muslim religion but those are also often christian minorities that flee the countries.
Quoting ANY religious text is bound to fail, since religious texts in themselves are contradictory by their very nature. The bible is in a lot of ways way worse, since it consists of the old testament (which is a horrible book).
And I am not talking about the Swedish democrats (a party that up until 1995 was a nazi party mind you). I am talking abut the Christian Democrats that use chritianity to guide their policies. So you have had religious doctrine in the majority coalition for 8 years, but it hasn´t been of muslim origin.
We actually have excellent examples what happens when you have strong restrictions on immigration. Look at our neighbur country of Finland. They have huge unemployment, the pension system is all but drained and they have had stagnant growth for most of the 21st century.
Yes, we have problem with rape, and it is a serious problem that is not adressed properly. But the worst rapist in swedish history is a man born in Umeå of christian descent, where I come from. The worst mass murderes in swedish history are all born christian. Do we therefore blame that religion? No, we should never drop to such low levels in society. We have experiences from all of the 20th century what happens when you apply your distaste for a few people´s action, on a whole group.
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So why doesn't sweden accept immigrants from places like Poland/Ukraine/China etc. These people will fit right in and within 2 generations you won't act or behave any different from your average swede. No extreme ideology will exist.
But take in muslims from extremely religious countries and they don't integrate, they preserve their own culture and they don't want to merge into sweden. They're very religious too. Let's face it Christianity is dying and will be gone in 200 years max. Nobody in europe will believe it and will just want to live a truly free life.
But islam will still be there and these people will be very different still. they will still believe in a warlord that forced their ancestors to believe in Islam out of fear. And they won't blend into society.
The sad thing is it won't end well. I've studied history and this is what happens. If you immigrate to a different people's land you better integrate and become them after a few generations and not try and get your ideology to take over it.
If you last too long and stay too different you end up causing a war. Look at the Jews. Countless cities over the last thousand years they immigrated too, didn't blend in and become their own ethnic minority. They were too successful and as they grew in numbers and wealth the locals get pissed and boot them out. Look up the history of Jews in Warsaw. It's happened so often.
Now muslims in European countries. If any of them get to the point where the Muslims feel they can transition the country democratically into a Muslim nation they will try. And due to the differing birth rates smaller nations like sweden, Belgium etc will have this problem if they keep accepting immigrants.
So they will try and the indigenous (probably atheist by then) people will fight back. A civil war and it will end with either a genocide or all muslims being forced to flee.
We've grown up in a fairly religiously peaceful time by European standards over the last 2,000 years but we forget how often massive religious wars have taken place be it between Catholic and protestant or christian and muslim.
It will happen unless the new wave of atheism manages to spread to muslims. Because a people free from made up religion's that remove freedoms and rights vs religious people looking to impose it will not end well.