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You know when it comes to Nintendo hardware, my test would be pretty easy. I want a system that plays Nintendo games and is strong enough that it gets the 3rd party ports so I don't have to go elsewhere to play them. I was hoping that Wii U would be that system but it didn't happen.

If NX is more of the same, then it will be a tough sell to me. The sad thing is that PS4 isn't really all that powerful of hardware.



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super6646 said:
RolStoppable said:

This is a completely logical statement.

Fixed that for you. XD.

Looks like you share his sentiment, so I might as well explain it to you.

super6646, you are a self-proclaimed Xbox fanboy. This means that you will always own an Xbox. It's also well-known that the vast majority of AAA third party games won't be exclusive to any console. If there is such an exclusive against all odds, it's going to be because the console manufacturer paid for it; in such a case the processing power of the console wouldn't matter because the game is made in exchange for money.

Now hypothetically speaking, if Nintendo put out a machine that eclipsed the PS4 in horsepower and got all multiplatform games, would that somehow increase your interest in the Nintendo system? That's very doubtful because you already have a system that covers third party games. And you obviously don't care enough about having the best looking version of a game, otherwise you wouldn't have settled for an Xbox One. So in your case, the only things the Nintendo system would have going for it, would be Nintendo games and third party exclusives, both of which would exist regardless of the specifications of the system. But since the console is powerful enough to get all multiplatform games, it's a $400 machine. You aren't interested in paying that much money for a few games, otherwise you would already own a PS4.

The other scenario is that Nintendo makes a less powerful system that doesn't get any AAA third party multiplatform games. So in your case, the only things the Nintendo system would have going for it, would be Nintendo games and third party exclusives. Does that sound familiar? It is exactly the same. This time, however, the system costs more in the range of $200-250 right out of the gate. That's certainly a more enticing proposal than the one above.

The final possibility is that you don't care about Nintendo games at all. In such a case, it doesn't matter at all what kind of system Nintendo puts out. You wouldn't be interested, no matter what it is.

But if you are interested in Nintendo games, then you should be for a cheap Nintendo console because it's illogical that you would want to pay for redundancy. You don't need two systems that get the same games.



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penguin10916 said:
Miyamotoo said:
penguin10916 said:
Miyamotoo said:
Soundwave said:
Roronaa_chan said:
Is it going to compete with the PS4 at anything at all?


It's likely portable centric so probably not. That said I wouldn't mind a portable on par with the Wii U that also plays games on the TV. 

I think it will be more powerful than Wii U, stronger CPU, more RAM, beter GPU.

Considering that the Wii U's CPU is a tricore 750cxe (G3 for mac users), and the GPU is equivalent to a Radeon HD4870, it's definitely possible. I was just looking at the specs of the Cortex A72, http://www.vrworld.com/2015/04/27/arms-cortex-a72-to-rival-intel-core-m-cpu/. The Core M based Macbook has benchmarked about the same as a 2011 Macbook Air meaning that the processor is probably within the range of a 2010/2011 Core 2 Duo. The A72 is slightly weaker, in regards to total performance, but that places it around a 2008/2009 Core 2 Duo. However, it's worth noting that the comparison is core vs core, and ARM has no problem stacking 8 or more cores on a single chip.

With that said, if Nintendo were to use two, octa-core Coretx A72s in their next handheld, with at least 2GB of DDR4L ram, and a GPU equivalent to the Radeon r7 250, which isn't all that much weaker than what's in the PS4 and Xbox One, with 1 to 2 GB of GDDR5. This, paired with a 720p, 5" ips display would easily create a handheld comparable to the current consoles. The power draw would be fairly minimal, resulting in a battery life of around 4 to 5 hours, and it'd be able to easily 'match' the NX console version. 

I dont think its just traditional handheld, more like hybrid, some sort of handheld that plays games on TV too.

I say better AMD or ARM cpu (much more user friendly than PPC), around 4GB of Ram and slightly bitter and modern GPU, that would make big difference vs Wii U hardware and enough power for 1080p Nintendo games (Nintendo already on Wii U have Zelda WW HD and Smash Bros. in 1080p) and at least 720p for curent third party games.


Well, if Nintendo wanted to throw a curve ball, they could reach out to AMD to develop a custom, ARM based processed based on the ARM based Opterons coming out. From what I understand, they're based on the A57 (currently) and highly efficient. Also, RAM prices seem steady and ARM processors are cheap... not to mention the hybrid option gives them a lot of possibilities- ie, set amount of power in the handheld, with the base having it's own, equivalent power that then combine when the handheld is docked with the base. Also, with AMD graphics, they could use Crossfire in that scenario, and the combined power could be used to provide higher resolutions and higher graphical detail. 

I thought at one piece of hardware that is a handheld and a home console at the same time.

 

Also, we have this AMD statement from 6 months ago, I dont idea what exactly would be.

We would have at least one to two semi-custom design wins and I’m pleased to report that we have those design wins, the work to design the products that has already started, the contract assigned and those parts get introduced in 2016.

We didn’t say at which space it is in. I’m not going to give too much detail. I’ll say that one is x86 and one is ARM, and atleast one will be on gaming, right. But that’s about as much as you going to get out me today, because the customers from the standpoint to be fair to them. It is their product. They launch it. They announce it and then just like the game console or the parts you find out that its AMD’s APU that’s been used in those products.



Goodnightmoon said:

Don´t know if the source is right but I´m expecting this and people should be expecting this.

They are aiming for a very cheap console that will probably be a handheld and a homeconsole at the same time.

People saying that will not get third party support because of this... yeah because underpowered consoles never get any third party support, run and tell that to the 3DS xD

Totally agree!



Miyamotoo said:
penguin10916 said:
Miyamotoo said:
penguin10916 said:
Miyamotoo said:
Soundwave said:
Roronaa_chan said:
Is it going to compete with the PS4 at anything at all?


It's likely portable centric so probably not. That said I wouldn't mind a portable on par with the Wii U that also plays games on the TV. 

I think it will be more powerful than Wii U, stronger CPU, more RAM, beter GPU.

Considering that the Wii U's CPU is a tricore 750cxe (G3 for mac users), and the GPU is equivalent to a Radeon HD4870, it's definitely possible. I was just looking at the specs of the Cortex A72, http://www.vrworld.com/2015/04/27/arms-cortex-a72-to-rival-intel-core-m-cpu/. The Core M based Macbook has benchmarked about the same as a 2011 Macbook Air meaning that the processor is probably within the range of a 2010/2011 Core 2 Duo. The A72 is slightly weaker, in regards to total performance, but that places it around a 2008/2009 Core 2 Duo. However, it's worth noting that the comparison is core vs core, and ARM has no problem stacking 8 or more cores on a single chip.

With that said, if Nintendo were to use two, octa-core Coretx A72s in their next handheld, with at least 2GB of DDR4L ram, and a GPU equivalent to the Radeon r7 250, which isn't all that much weaker than what's in the PS4 and Xbox One, with 1 to 2 GB of GDDR5. This, paired with a 720p, 5" ips display would easily create a handheld comparable to the current consoles. The power draw would be fairly minimal, resulting in a battery life of around 4 to 5 hours, and it'd be able to easily 'match' the NX console version. 

I dont think its just traditional handheld, more like hybrid, some sort of handheld that plays games on TV too.

I say better AMD or ARM cpu (much more user friendly than PPC), around 4GB of Ram and slightly bitter and modern GPU, that would make big difference vs Wii U hardware and enough power for 1080p Nintendo games (Nintendo already on Wii U have Zelda WW HD and Smash Bros. in 1080p) and at least 720p for curent third party games.


Well, if Nintendo wanted to throw a curve ball, they could reach out to AMD to develop a custom, ARM based processed based on the ARM based Opterons coming out. From what I understand, they're based on the A57 (currently) and highly efficient. Also, RAM prices seem steady and ARM processors are cheap... not to mention the hybrid option gives them a lot of possibilities- ie, set amount of power in the handheld, with the base having it's own, equivalent power that then combine when the handheld is docked with the base. Also, with AMD graphics, they could use Crossfire in that scenario, and the combined power could be used to provide higher resolutions and higher graphical detail. 

I thought at one piece of hardware that is a handheld and a home console at the same time.

 

Also, we have this AMD statement from 6 months ago, I dont idea what exactly would be.

We would have at least one to two semi-custom design wins and I’m pleased to report that we have those design wins, the work to design the products that has already started, the contract assigned and those parts get introduced in 2016.

We didn’t say at which space it is in. I’m not going to give too much detail. I’ll say that one is x86 and one is ARM, and atleast one will be on gaming, right. But that’s about as much as you going to get out me today, because the customers from the standpoint to be fair to them. It is their product. They launch it. They announce it and then just like the game console or the parts you find out that its AMD’s APU that’s been used in those products.

Just have to wait and see- what Nintendo does with their next move will be crucial, because they cannot afford another Wii U. Even with the 3DS doing well, it wasn't doing well enough to keep the company afloat like the Gameboys did when Nintendo found itself having some trouble with the N64 and Gamecube- which were still seeing some success compared to the Wii U... 

Now if NX does fail, I foresee them walking down the same path as Sony- they'll release their games on other consoles, and the quality will just go into decline while other series, that they publish rise to fame- ie think Yakuza. 



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Well, if the rumor is true, this probably confirms that either 1) It's a handheld, 2) It's not a 9th gen console, just an additional thing alongside the Wii U and 3DS, 3) The NX is a hybird and this is the handheld side or something.

I am going with #2.



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teigaga said:
DerNebel said:
That thing is so not getting any third party support.


And if it does, traditional games will most likely flop on it just as they did the Wii U.

The way I can see this working is if they manage to reach a strong userbase in a short space of time (combine  the handheld and console), third parties may make cheap exclusives for it that just as they did the Wii and capitalise off that market.


If Nintendo doesn't make their next home console as powerful as the competition, they will fall... period. I hope for their sake, and my own (Nintendo fan since 1986) that they rethink this epic blunder. There IS no Wii 2 situation. They will either compete, or die.



FloatingWaffles said:
Nintendo are in a really bad position with NX because of the Wii U. The Wii U was underpowered compared to the PS4 and Xbox One so it did not get a majority of 3rd party games and developers quickly stopped developing for it because they didn't want to downgrade their games, which led to a huge software drought since a lot of first party games weren't there on time. All of this led to the Wii U not having good sales and now they are quickly just trying to move on from it with NX.

Now here's the thing. Let's say they launch the NX in like 2016-2017 and that it IS a home console and not a handheld. The PS4 and Xbox One launched in 2013 so that would be their 4th-5th year in the cycle. The NX would obviously be considered a part of the 9th gen consoles, but what happens when the PS5 and Xbox Two release and the NX might be way too underpowered compared to them again because it released earlier. It will be the exact same situation as the Wii U.

I know this is kind of too early to say since we should wait till the NX is actually revealed first and what it actually is, but still. This situation could very easily happen again if Nintendo don't think about it properly.

That's revisionist history. What actually happened is that the Wii U went through a long software drought before the PS4 and Xbox One launched because third parties didn't want to port their 360/PS3 games to it. This means you can scratch horsepower off the list of things that matter.

So based on the historic precedence, if Nintendo launched a system more powerful than the PS4, then it wouldn't get many of the PS4/X1 games. Third parties simply aren't interested in porting their games to Nintendo, so it would be a suicidal move for Nintendo to try appeasing third parties. Ultimately, in such a case Nintendo would be stuck with an expensive me-too console that misses over half of the games. The market isn't interested in such a system.



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Esiar said:
Well, if the rumor is true, this probably confirms that either 1) It's a handheld, 2) It's not a 9th gen console, just an additional thing alongside the Wii U and 3DS, 3) The NX is a hybird and this is the handheld side or something.

I am going with #2.


A couple of years ago, I ended up formulating that one of the ways that Nintendo could save their handheld business, when things were going rough for the 3DS at first, with the rise of phones and tablets, is to create a SoC with a DRM specific to their software, that phone/tablet makers could buy and incorporate into their devices. The games would run primarily on this SoC, and phone/tablet makers would be able to advertise this feature and gain an extra $20 to $40 per device. 

Nintendo could then release iterations of the SoC every three years helping to keep things current- and for new phones that met the specs of the SoC, during it's 2nd or last year, they could simply license the drm and emulate the games. 



think-man said:
Im sick of this nx stuff, wiiu hasnt even been out long. Way to kill the buzz

lol can you get any more ridiculous?

There is no NX stuff, NX WASN'T EVEN ANNOUNCED YET. no word if it is a portable or home console. If it were to be a wii u sucessor, it will release 4 years after wii u AT THE EARLIEST, making it just a little sooner than usual.