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heavenharp on 04 July 2015

For the OP, that's either another "insider" BS like usual, NX is a handheld, or it's a home console way above ps4 power.



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setsunatenshi on 04 July 2015
heavenharp said:
bunchanumbers said:
You know when it comes to Nintendo hardware, my test would be pretty easy. I want a system that plays Nintendo games and is strong enough that it gets the 3rd party ports so I don't have to go elsewhere to play them. I was hoping that Wii U would be that system but it didn't happen.

If NX is more of the same, then it will be a tough sell to me. The sad thing is that PS4 isn't really all that powerful of hardware.

wii u is exactly that but thirds are unprofessional.


unprofessional?

third parties are in the business of making profits, there's no conspiracy there.

if they see there's no profit to be made on any given system, guess what... they won't port games to that system.



Miyamotoo on 04 July 2015
penguin10916 said:
Miyamotoo said:
penguin10916 said:
Miyamotoo said:
penguin10916 said:
Miyamotoo said:
Soundwave said:
Roronaa_chan said:
Is it going to compete with the PS4 at anything at all?


It's likely portable centric so probably not. That said I wouldn't mind a portable on par with the Wii U that also plays games on the TV. 

I think it will be more powerful than Wii U, stronger CPU, more RAM, beter GPU.

Considering that the Wii U's CPU is a tricore 750cxe (G3 for mac users), and the GPU is equivalent to a Radeon HD4870, it's definitely possible. I was just looking at the specs of the Cortex A72, http://www.vrworld.com/2015/04/27/arms-cortex-a72-to-rival-intel-core-m-cpu/. The Core M based Macbook has benchmarked about the same as a 2011 Macbook Air meaning that the processor is probably within the range of a 2010/2011 Core 2 Duo. The A72 is slightly weaker, in regards to total performance, but that places it around a 2008/2009 Core 2 Duo. However, it's worth noting that the comparison is core vs core, and ARM has no problem stacking 8 or more cores on a single chip.

With that said, if Nintendo were to use two, octa-core Coretx A72s in their next handheld, with at least 2GB of DDR4L ram, and a GPU equivalent to the Radeon r7 250, which isn't all that much weaker than what's in the PS4 and Xbox One, with 1 to 2 GB of GDDR5. This, paired with a 720p, 5" ips display would easily create a handheld comparable to the current consoles. The power draw would be fairly minimal, resulting in a battery life of around 4 to 5 hours, and it'd be able to easily 'match' the NX console version. 

I dont think its just traditional handheld, more like hybrid, some sort of handheld that plays games on TV too.

I say better AMD or ARM cpu (much more user friendly than PPC), around 4GB of Ram and slightly bitter and modern GPU, that would make big difference vs Wii U hardware and enough power for 1080p Nintendo games (Nintendo already on Wii U have Zelda WW HD and Smash Bros. in 1080p) and at least 720p for curent third party games.


Well, if Nintendo wanted to throw a curve ball, they could reach out to AMD to develop a custom, ARM based processed based on the ARM based Opterons coming out. From what I understand, they're based on the A57 (currently) and highly efficient. Also, RAM prices seem steady and ARM processors are cheap... not to mention the hybrid option gives them a lot of possibilities- ie, set amount of power in the handheld, with the base having it's own, equivalent power that then combine when the handheld is docked with the base. Also, with AMD graphics, they could use Crossfire in that scenario, and the combined power could be used to provide higher resolutions and higher graphical detail. 

I thought at one piece of hardware that is a handheld and a home console at the same time.

 

Also, we have this AMD statement from 6 months ago, I dont idea what exactly would be.

We would have at least one to two semi-custom design wins and I’m pleased to report that we have those design wins, the work to design the products that has already started, the contract assigned and those parts get introduced in 2016.

We didn’t say at which space it is in. I’m not going to give too much detail. I’ll say that one is x86 and one is ARM, and atleast one will be on gaming, right. But that’s about as much as you going to get out me today, because the customers from the standpoint to be fair to them. It is their product. They launch it. They announce it and then just like the game console or the parts you find out that its AMD’s APU that’s been used in those products.

Just have to wait and see- what Nintendo does with their next move will be crucial, because they cannot afford another Wii U. Even with the 3DS doing well, it wasn't doing well enough to keep the company afloat like the Gameboys did when Nintendo found itself having some trouble with the N64 and Gamecube- which were still seeing some success compared to the Wii U... 

Now if NX does fail, I foresee them walking down the same path as Sony- they'll release their games on other consoles, and the quality will just go into decline while other series, that they publish rise to fame- ie think Yakuza. 

What ever NX is it will sell better than WIi U, Nintendo with Wii U made too many mistakes I think they can't repeat that at all.



heavenharp on 04 July 2015
setsunatenshi said:
heavenharp said:

wii u is exactly that but thirds are unprofessional.


unprofessional?

third parties are in the business of making profits, there's no conspiracy there.

if they see there's no profit to be made on any given system, guess what... they won't port games to that system.

they ignore profits for bribery = unprofessional.

and please explain the companies that never released a single game on wii u but already had tons of games planned for ps4 and x1 before they even released.



penguin10916 on 04 July 2015
Miyamotoo said:
penguin10916 said:
Miyamotoo said:
penguin10916 said:
Miyamotoo said:
penguin10916 said:
Miyamotoo said:
Soundwave said:
Roronaa_chan said:
Is it going to compete with the PS4 at anything at all?


It's likely portable centric so probably not. That said I wouldn't mind a portable on par with the Wii U that also plays games on the TV. 

I think it will be more powerful than Wii U, stronger CPU, more RAM, beter GPU.

Considering that the Wii U's CPU is a tricore 750cxe (G3 for mac users), and the GPU is equivalent to a Radeon HD4870, it's definitely possible. I was just looking at the specs of the Cortex A72, http://www.vrworld.com/2015/04/27/arms-cortex-a72-to-rival-intel-core-m-cpu/. The Core M based Macbook has benchmarked about the same as a 2011 Macbook Air meaning that the processor is probably within the range of a 2010/2011 Core 2 Duo. The A72 is slightly weaker, in regards to total performance, but that places it around a 2008/2009 Core 2 Duo. However, it's worth noting that the comparison is core vs core, and ARM has no problem stacking 8 or more cores on a single chip.

With that said, if Nintendo were to use two, octa-core Coretx A72s in their next handheld, with at least 2GB of DDR4L ram, and a GPU equivalent to the Radeon r7 250, which isn't all that much weaker than what's in the PS4 and Xbox One, with 1 to 2 GB of GDDR5. This, paired with a 720p, 5" ips display would easily create a handheld comparable to the current consoles. The power draw would be fairly minimal, resulting in a battery life of around 4 to 5 hours, and it'd be able to easily 'match' the NX console version. 

I dont think its just traditional handheld, more like hybrid, some sort of handheld that plays games on TV too.

I say better AMD or ARM cpu (much more user friendly than PPC), around 4GB of Ram and slightly bitter and modern GPU, that would make big difference vs Wii U hardware and enough power for 1080p Nintendo games (Nintendo already on Wii U have Zelda WW HD and Smash Bros. in 1080p) and at least 720p for curent third party games.


Well, if Nintendo wanted to throw a curve ball, they could reach out to AMD to develop a custom, ARM based processed based on the ARM based Opterons coming out. From what I understand, they're based on the A57 (currently) and highly efficient. Also, RAM prices seem steady and ARM processors are cheap... not to mention the hybrid option gives them a lot of possibilities- ie, set amount of power in the handheld, with the base having it's own, equivalent power that then combine when the handheld is docked with the base. Also, with AMD graphics, they could use Crossfire in that scenario, and the combined power could be used to provide higher resolutions and higher graphical detail. 

I thought at one piece of hardware that is a handheld and a home console at the same time.

 

Also, we have this AMD statement from 6 months ago, I dont idea what exactly would be.

We would have at least one to two semi-custom design wins and I’m pleased to report that we have those design wins, the work to design the products that has already started, the contract assigned and those parts get introduced in 2016.

We didn’t say at which space it is in. I’m not going to give too much detail. I’ll say that one is x86 and one is ARM, and atleast one will be on gaming, right. But that’s about as much as you going to get out me today, because the customers from the standpoint to be fair to them. It is their product. They launch it. They announce it and then just like the game console or the parts you find out that its AMD’s APU that’s been used in those products.

Just have to wait and see- what Nintendo does with their next move will be crucial, because they cannot afford another Wii U. Even with the 3DS doing well, it wasn't doing well enough to keep the company afloat like the Gameboys did when Nintendo found itself having some trouble with the N64 and Gamecube- which were still seeing some success compared to the Wii U... 

Now if NX does fail, I foresee them walking down the same path as Sony- they'll release their games on other consoles, and the quality will just go into decline while other series, that they publish rise to fame- ie think Yakuza. 

What ever NX is it will sell better than WIi U, Nintendo with Wii U made too many mistakes I think they can't repeat that at all.

For sure and I meant Sega, not Sony ;>_> But yea, they need to stop pushing the same old experiments and return to the basics, at least for now. If they release a decent console, the only 3rd party person that will still give them trouble is EA- but if they can woo the rest, it'll be smooth sailing. 



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Soundwave on 04 July 2015
heavenharp said:
setsunatenshi said:


unprofessional?

third parties are in the business of making profits, there's no conspiracy there.

if they see there's no profit to be made on any given system, guess what... they won't port games to that system.

they ignore profits for bribery = unprofessional.

and please explain the companies that never released a single game on wii u but already had tons of games planned for ps4 and x1 before they even released.

Because the Playstation/XBox brands have a proven track record with the demographics many of those third party games aim for (ie: military shooters, sports sims, racing sims, violent action games). That's why they're supporting the PS/XBox is a priority for them, the audience they want is going to be there. 



FunFan on 04 July 2015
Cobretti2 said:
FunFan said:


COD, Batman, AC were there for a few years. Didn't help.

that is because people knew they could get a better version on PS4 and those who has a last gen console didn't see the point of upgrading to a Wii U as there was no significant benefit.


Atually, some of those games aren't on PS4 (AC3, Batman Arkham City, Black Ops 2, etc).

But I get what you are saying. Thing is, that the same thing might probably happen to the NX since for those people that already own a PS4 or XBone there might be no significant benefit.



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setsunatenshi on 04 July 2015
heavenharp said:
setsunatenshi said:


unprofessional?

third parties are in the business of making profits, there's no conspiracy there.

if they see there's no profit to be made on any given system, guess what... they won't port games to that system.

they ignore profits for bribery = unprofessional.

and please explain the companies that never released a single game on wii u but already had tons of games planned for ps4 and x1 before they even released.

i'm not quite sure if you're serious or seriously trolling.

1- "they ignore profits for bribery = unprofessional" could you elaborate what bribery are you speaking of? what profits are being ignored?

2- it's up to Nintendo to foster 3rd party relations and attempt to incentivize third party development. there's a long history with Nintendo and the way they treat 3rd parties... there's a history of how 3rd party releases are received by the nintendo audience too. when the trend in consoles is to adopt an X86 architecture to ease the development cycles and lower the costs of said development, Nintendo has no one but themselves to blame for how things turned out. They are not the big dog they used to be in the console market where they could dictate how the game was played. Those times have long passed since the SNES era.



heavenharp on 04 July 2015
Soundwave said:
heavenharp said:

they ignore profits for bribery = unprofessional.

and please explain the companies that never released a single game on wii u but already had tons of games planned for ps4 and x1 before they even released.

Because the Playstation/XBox brands have a proven track record with the demographics many of those third party games aim for (ie: military shooters, sports sims, racing sims, violent action games). That's why they're supporting the PS/XBox is a priority for them, the audience they want is going to be there. 

Nintendo brand have a proven track record on every kind of genre, hate all you want. your silly excuses will never change reality.



Soundwave on 04 July 2015
JEMC said:
Soundwave said:

There's probably some large type of gimmick with the machine. Nintendo's own comments repeatedly state they want to "surprise" gamers and this is a "new concept".

Most people dismissed the news that Sharp would be making free-form shaped LCDs for Nintendo about a year ago as being some for QoL, but now I'm starting to think that is for the NX. Maybe it has an unconventionally shaped screen(s). 

Do I need to remind you that the same sources that talked about Nintendo using Sharp's free form displays also said that they would be donut shaped? Now, do you really think Nintendo would use that shape on a handheld or hybrid gaming device?

 

OT. The decision to purchase or not a console should be based on its price and games. And sure, if this rumor is true then it will have next to no support from the big publishers (nothing new for a Nintendo console), but it will have Nintendo in full force and the indie scene that so far seem to like how Nintendo works with them.


Who knows. Nintendo goes for crazy things, maybe a donught shaped screen would make sense once you see the overall concept. Though I don't recall anyone saying it *had* to be donught shaped. It could be any shape Nintendo wants. 

I'm sure if you told a Nintendo fan in 2004 that the next Nintendo controller would be a one handed device with only two buttons shaped like a wand, they wouldn't understand it either.