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Do the Wii U and Vita deserve the sales they have

No they deserve less 37 7.77%
 
Vita deserves Less, Wii U... 19 3.99%
 
Wii U does deserve more, Vita deserves less 131 27.52%
 
They both deserve more 184 38.66%
 
Vita deserves more, Wii U less 52 10.92%
 
Wii U should have the com... 52 10.92%
 
Total:475
Boberkun said:

Sony deserve Vita sales with no support.

Nintendo marketing team deserve to be fired.

It's entire hardware team does deserve a major reorganisation sice the 3ds and Wii U if you ask me, since people wheren't to thrilled with either piece of hardware, luckily 3ds pulled a PS3 by being a succes due to support.



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Qwark said:
sc94597 said:

Sorry, you lost credibility here. You do realize both of the bolded are sequels? 

Yes I also do realize Sony got Bloodborne, LBP 3, The Order, Driveclub and Knack as new Ip's and MS got Ryse and Sunset overdrive, while being released one year after Wii U. My second statement, which I bolded for you was about games which are worth buying on Wii U in 2015, so far Splatoon only comes to mind. While the PS4 has Bloodborne, Pcars and the Witcher 3 among a few other games which can be considered good, that's called choise one thing the Wii U has never had during it's lifespan. Another flaw since 3 month droughts where not something rare in it's early years and guess what they still are.

This is where I have an issue with this argument. Bloodborne is a Souls game at heart. It is as different from Dark Souls as Super Mario Galaxy is from Super Mario Sunshine. So the novelty of it being a new IP is moot if everything new about it is incremental and/or stylistic much like a new Legend of Zelda game or a Mario game. LBP 3 is not a new IP by the way. The Order, Knack and Ryse are not quality releases. I'd rather quality releases that are sequels than mediocre new IP's. If we are going to include sketchy quality new IPs then Nintendo released two this year: Codename Steam and Splatoon. 

Nobody is arguing against the other platforms having more diversity and quantity, but that is not the coherent argument you have been making. Everybody knows the Wii U doesn't have good third party support. This isn't something new. Yet neither did the Wii really. And that is a console nobody would say doesn't deserve to succeed (for how good of an idea it was, and in the end it had its own unique library of titles.) 



Smear-Gel said:
You know, the Wii U only has a tiny bit of new games if you take away most of its new games.

Meanwhile the other guys have really new games like the 10th Mortal Kombat game and the third Witcher game

Not to mention the first Bloodborne, Order, Driveclub, Knack, Pcars, Shadow of Mordor, Watch Dogs, Dying Light, Evil Within



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Qwark said:
Smear-Gel said:
You know, the Wii U only has a tiny bit of new games if you take away most of its new games.

Meanwhile the other guys have really new games like the 10th Mortal Kombat game and the third Witcher game

Not to mention the first Bloodborne, Order, Driveclub, Knack, Pcars, Shadow of Mordor, Watch Dogs, Dying Light, Evil Within


New ip's in the same franchises are no different than old ip's in thecsame franchises

 

Or are you saying you'd enjoy Bloodborne less if it was exactly the same but called Dark Souls 4.



sc94597 said:
Qwark said:

Yes I also do realize Sony got Bloodborne, LBP 3, The Order, Driveclub and Knack as new Ip's and MS got Ryse and Sunset overdrive, while being released one year after Wii U. My second statement, which I bolded for you was about games which are worth buying on Wii U in 2015, so far Splatoon only comes to mind. While the PS4 has Bloodborne, Pcars and the Witcher 3 among a few other games which can be considered good, that's called choise one thing the Wii U has never had during it's lifespan. Another flaw since 3 month droughts where not something rare in it's early years and guess what they still are.

This is where I have an issue with this argument. Bloodborne is a Souls game at heart. It is as different from Dark Souls as Super Mario Galaxy is from Super Mario Sunshine. So the novelty of it being a new IP is moot if everything new about it is incremental and/or stylistic much like a new Legend of Zelda game or a Mario game. LBP 3 is not a new IP by the way. The Order, Knack and Ryse are not quality releases. I'd rather quality releases that are sequels than mediocre new IP's. If we are going to include sketchy quality new IPs then Nintendo released two this year: Codename Steam and Splatoon. 

Nobody is arguing against the other platforms having more diversity and quantity, but that is not the coherent argument you have been making. Everybody knows the Wii U doesn't have good third party support. This isn't something new. Yet neither did the Wii really. And that is a console nobody would say doesn't deserve to succeed (for how good of an idea it was, and in the end it had its own unique library of titles.) 


Bloodborne is entirely different from Dark Souls it plays even more different and way more different than Mario 64 compared to Sunshine or Galaxy. The argument could be made for demon souls and dark souls, but souls and bloodborn play to different from eachother. Codename Steam is a 3ds game last time I checked. I didn't even mention third party games like shadow of mordor, Project cars, Destiny, Dying Light etc. which are all around 80 meta like splatoon and W101 is below that and I still counted it, (since I liked the game as did I with DC). Not good third party support for Wii U? what about bareboned to almost none even compared to Wii and GC, where Ubisoft did some effort and it even got a COD, RE and some nice Japanese exclusives.

On the PS4 the following new IP releses will come this year Bloodborne, The order, Project cars, Dying Light, Until Dawn and probaly a few others I failed to mention. Compared to Splatoon and Mario Maker (which is a level editor for an already existing game) that's also quite bare boned.



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Smear-Gel said:
Qwark said:

Not to mention the first Bloodborne, Order, Driveclub, Knack, Pcars, Shadow of Mordor, Watch Dogs, Dying Light, Evil Within


New ip's in the same franchises are no different than old ip's in thecsame franchises

 

Or are you saying you'd enjoy Bloodborne less if it was exactly the same but called Dark Souls 4.

Considering it would have lost it's entire story and charm, new combat system, which doesn't involve a shield,  but does have guns, viceral attacks and trick weapons. Also that would include trading in the gothic, lovecraft atmosphere for another medieval atmosphere. Yes I would have liked it less. Bloodborne has elements from demon souls (let's stay with the mother game, which is way closer to dark souls if you would have played all). But saying it could be a direct succesor and called dark souls 4 in it's current form is kind of ridicilous.

They have similairities no doubt, but they are defenitly not the same game.



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Samus Aran said:

So what games is Sony releasing this year? According to your logic they deserve last place lol.


They had the best games so far with Bloodborne and The Order: 1886 and they will release Uncharted: Nathan Drake Collection, Until Dawn, Tearaway: Unfolded. etc. this year. They have much better games than the competition!



Qwark said:
Dr.Vita said:
Vita doesn't deserve good sales because of the memory cards? After that I stopped reading...

The device itself was already expensive, but justified due to the much stronger hardware, but to add €50- for a bit decent memory on top of that was ridicilous, I also assume you missed the part about no support from Sony, how could you not if you stopped at the first sentence.


I bought my 16GB memory card for 20€ about 2 years ago and still have enough memory (and I do own 7-10 digital AAA games). 
PS Vita never was expensive, it had and has an awesome price.
PS Vita got no support from Sony? Just take a look at 2012, Sony supported PS Vita really good! 2013 and 2014 were also good years and 2015 is looking to be good too. 



Vita desevred more sales, sony tried to bring home console expierence to Handheld with a lot of horse powers.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tzMrgwE7YN4



Qwark said:
sc94597 said:

This is where I have an issue with this argument. Bloodborne is a Souls game at heart. It is as different from Dark Souls as Super Mario Galaxy is from Super Mario Sunshine. So the novelty of it being a new IP is moot if everything new about it is incremental and/or stylistic much like a new Legend of Zelda game or a Mario game. LBP 3 is not a new IP by the way. The Order, Knack and Ryse are not quality releases. I'd rather quality releases that are sequels than mediocre new IP's. If we are going to include sketchy quality new IPs then Nintendo released two this year: Codename Steam and Splatoon. 

Nobody is arguing against the other platforms having more diversity and quantity, but that is not the coherent argument you have been making. Everybody knows the Wii U doesn't have good third party support. This isn't something new. Yet neither did the Wii really. And that is a console nobody would say doesn't deserve to succeed (for how good of an idea it was, and in the end it had its own unique library of titles.) 


Bloodborne is entirely different from Dark Souls it plays even more different and way more different than Mario 64 compared to Sunshine or Galaxy. The argument could be made for demon souls and dark souls, but souls and bloodborn play to different from eachother. Codename Steam is a 3ds game last time I checked. I didn't even mention third party games like shadow of mordor, Project cars, Destiny, Dying Light etc. which are all around 80 meta like splatoon and W101 is below that and I still counted it, (since I liked the game as did I with DC). Not good third party support for Wii U? what about bareboned to almost none even compared to Wii and GC, where Ubisoft did some effort and it even got a COD, RE and some nice Japanese exclusives.

On the PS4 the following new IP releses will come this year Bloodborne, The order, Project cars, Dying Light, Until Dawn and probaly a few others I failed to mention. Compared to Splatoon and Mario Maker (which is a level editor for an already existing game) that's also quite bare boned.

The same can be said about Sunshine vs. Galaxy. In Sunshine you have a semi-open world in which you use a jetpack to fly around and squirt off gook. In Galaxy you are going from small (relatively) planetoid to planetoid. They play entirely different! 

Bloodborne and other Souls games have the same basic formula, just like Mario games have the same basic formula. They are ARPGs that are prided for their difficulty in which you kill tough enemies and bosses in an environment dealing with dark themes.From what I have played of Bloodborne, while there are new features and unique aspects and it is much higher budget than Dark Souls/Demon's Souls - just like Galaxy vs. Sunshine - it didn't feel entirely new (which in my opinion was a good thing.) 

You must have forgotten the Wii era. There was not much third party support for it until way late in the generation when it got a bunch of late Call of Duty ports. Games like Fallout, Elder Scrolls, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Assassin's Creed, etc, etc didn't come to the Wii. As for the Wii U, at the very least it started out with some of these big series and because of lack of interest and a poor architecture choice the next generation versions were not justified. 

As for the new IP argument, I would much rather a Star Fox title (which  has not had a console release in 10 years) a Yoshi title (which has not had a home console release since the N64) and a non-sequel in the same franchise (Xenoblade Chronicles X) than a new IP that turns out to be mediocre. The same applies to a game like Pikmin 3. 

The Order and Knack have scores in the 50's and 60's, not the high 70's/low 80's. So your meta comment is silly.