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Who Drops Out if Nintendo Makes a Comeback?

Sony 49 6.10%
 
Microsoft 161 20.05%
 
Nobody Drops Out 298 37.11%
 
Nintendo Isn't Making a Comeback 295 36.74%
 
Total:803
naruball said:
Areym said:
I'm pretty sure Sony and Playstation have sold the most home consoles of any other company (please correct me if I am wrong), with the PS1 and PS2 breaking 100 million and PS4 quite possibly accomplishing that feat, so why would A nintendo comeback throw them off their game?


Because as a company they're struggling. The ps division hasn't made much money compared to the wii/ds. If they make a ps3-launch mistake again, they may be unable to recover because they won't have billions to correct their mistake and help ps5 recover.

Nah. Even in financial trouble Sony is too big a ship to sink fast. They can sit out a gen with a console that sells like WiiU.



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bunchanumbers said:
Burek said:

Because if you own a Nintendo console, you only have about 24 games in total to choose from. PS and XBox owners have many many more games to choose from, so the individual games get their sales spread out between hundreds of titles.

If you bothered to check, you would easily have seen that even though Wii sold the most consoles, it is dead last in software sales. 


That was due to rampant piracy that infested the Wii. Its the most modded console in gaming history.

And it even took a long time for ps360 to catch up in software.



Burek said:
Samus Aran said:

Wait, then why do Nintendo's games outsell those of Sony and Microsoft?

How many ten million sellers does Sony or MS have?

Nintendo has had 24 ten million + sellers in the 21th century.

Because if you own a Nintendo console, you only have about 24 games in total to choose from. PS and XBox owners have many many more games to choose from, so the individual games get their sales spread out between hundreds of titles.

If you bothered to check, you would easily have seen that even though Wii sold the most consoles, it is dead last in software sales. 

Were you even serious when you wrote it?



Burek said:
Mnementh said:

Sorry, no. Most of these ten-million-sellers came from Wii and DS. And these had big amounts of games. Is it really so hard to admit, that Nintendo does some very popular games? I constantly read from PS- and X-owners, they want Nintendo to go third-party, so they can play their games. Downplaying these numbers is like saying PS4 has no games or Vita is a bad console. That all isn't true.

Wii 10 million sellers: Wii Sports, Mario Kart Wii, Wii Sport Resort, Wii Play, New Super Mario Bros. Wii, Wii Fit, Wii Fit Plus, Super Smash Brothers Brawl, Super Mario Galaxy, Just Dance 3. I won't even get into DS, as that is not even the topic of this conversation.

Then we go to see what sells on WiiU: New Super Mario Bros. U, Mario Kart 8, Nintendo Land, Super Smash Bros, Super mario World U, New Super Luigi U, Wii Party U..... the same damn games over and over and over and over, just a couple of titles repeated non-stop, and aimed at a very specific target audience (pre-teens). And since those pre-teens have grown up, and new pre-teens now have a different interest, Nintendo is left holding the bag of unmarketable and unwanted consoles (as we can see from the sales in their 30 months on the market).

Nintendo has nothing to offer anymore, and they realize that. That's why they decided to continue chasing the pre-teen market into the mobile territory. I really do hope they succeed, so that they can move out of the home console business once and for all. But they have overstayed their welcome a long time ago. To even think that the company that still thinks it is 1989 can be competitive in 2015 or 2019 is unimaginable, not if they just keep pushing out the same game to the same people that have shown that they are getting really tired of a complete lack of vision and ideas. To think that all of a sudden a person will show up that will have the power and guts to push Nintendo out of that deeply entrenched Groundhog Day...

I see that you ignore donkey kong, bayonetta 2, hyrule warriors, zombi U, monster hunter, lego city, rayman...

And that's without mentioning how wrong it is to refer to those games as "the same game over and over again". Especially when cod, fifa and AC are what sells on other consoles and those can actually be called "the same game over and over" (every year).



Nate4Drake said:
Nintendo is the only Home console right now which is in serious trouble; and releasing a new Home console will never affect Sony or MS. I just hope Nintendo will survive, and release next time a better console to be more competitive. By the time a new Nintendo Home console will be released, PS4 and X1 will be extremely cheap and will have tons of games, which will also look impressive, being at their respective 4th/5th generation.

Releasing a new console will always affect the competitors.



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Nintendo has virtually zero impact on the other console manufacturers so it makes very little difference to Sony or Microsoft whether or not Nintendo makes a comeback.



Burek said:
Mnementh said:

Sorry, no you said clearly that Nintendo is doing IPs over and over and over, and I stated the same happens if you look at the top-sellers for other platforms. Also: in what world pre-teens play Wii Sports, Just Dance and Mario Party. Sorry, that's ridiculous, these games are obviously aimed at adults. That's also what surveys have shown. With every wrong claim you weaken your position more and more, you should just stop.

And Nintendo does new IPs, I made a thread about new series in this gen. Get your facts straight.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=197419

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x12sat_kids-playing-wii-sports_videogames

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l50wNGmDces

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61pLY8WjYqI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjNoHV2NcVQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxvhECbhjfU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fH0D7R8rvs

and to finish off this list:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QBTKFXjFrw

 

I rest my case...

Now prove they are the main, and even exclusive audience, like you claimed so many times.



Materia-Blade said:
Burek said:

Wii 10 million sellers: Wii Sports, Mario Kart Wii, Wii Sport Resort, Wii Play, New Super Mario Bros. Wii, Wii Fit, Wii Fit Plus, Super Smash Brothers Brawl, Super Mario Galaxy, Just Dance 3. I won't even get into DS, as that is not even the topic of this conversation.

Then we go to see what sells on WiiU: New Super Mario Bros. U, Mario Kart 8, Nintendo Land, Super Smash Bros, Super mario World U, New Super Luigi U, Wii Party U..... the same damn games over and over and over and over, just a couple of titles repeated non-stop, and aimed at a very specific target audience (pre-teens). And since those pre-teens have grown up, and new pre-teens now have a different interest, Nintendo is left holding the bag of unmarketable and unwanted consoles (as we can see from the sales in their 30 months on the market).

Nintendo has nothing to offer anymore, and they realize that. That's why they decided to continue chasing the pre-teen market into the mobile territory. I really do hope they succeed, so that they can move out of the home console business once and for all. But they have overstayed their welcome a long time ago. To even think that the company that still thinks it is 1989 can be competitive in 2015 or 2019 is unimaginable, not if they just keep pushing out the same game to the same people that have shown that they are getting really tired of a complete lack of vision and ideas. To think that all of a sudden a person will show up that will have the power and guts to push Nintendo out of that deeply entrenched Groundhog Day...

I see that you ignore donkey kong, bayonetta 2, hyrule warriors, zombi U, monster hunter, lego city, rayman...

And that's without mentioning how wrong it is to refer to those games as "the same game over and over again". Especially when cod, fifa and AC are what sells on other consoles and those can actually be called "the same game over and over" (every year).

I did not intentionally ignore them, but had no purpose to mention them, as they almost all still cater to the exact same prepubescent audience, with the exception of Bayonetta which was bought by Nintendo when they still thought that they can compete with real consoles, and the result was its failure, and Monster Hunter that for some unknown reason sells well in Japan and nowhere else.

Playstation and subsequent XBox were the ones that brought gaming to mainstream, and the result is that those consoles now enjoy success (large or moderate) as consumer electronics devices, while Nintendo still clings to their defeated strategy of selling a gaming console as a children's toy.

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Ruler said:
Materia-Blade said:

Ignoring everything that I said? I'll say it one more time: THE GAMECUBE DIDN'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO GETTING ALL/MOST 3RD PARTIY GAMES OF THE GEN.

And that was besides releasing after ps2 had already established itself. Was it clear now?


Your wrong, xbox got 970 games, the gamecube got 670 games. It wasnt really that much more games the first xbox got, so nintendo gamecube got in fact most multiplats. The numbers prove 

The numbers prove the gamecube got way less multiplats. And don't forget the many ps2 exclusives that should have been multiplatform, like final fantasy, devil may cry and many rpgs.



Ljink96 said:


While they have seemed inert to move in the past, you simply can't underestimate Nintendo. There's a reason why they've been the only game company to see the downfall of its powerful competitors and tell the tale. One bad generation and the world flips. You can't win them all. Do we think the Wii was the pinnacle of Nintendo's success? Any progressive thinker would know that this isn't true. Technology advances and so does the mind. Nintendo isn't sitting back, twittling their thumbs, worrying about Wii U. Who knows, their next console could blow our minds again. We can't write them off so soon. All it takes is for Nintendo to at least adopt the structure of new consoles, so at least there would be no excuse to not develop for them. If THAT fails, then yeah, Nintendohas no space in the console hardware market. The same cannot be said about the handheld market though.

Agreed, especially about the handheld market part. The thing that worries me is that Nintendo came into this generation completely unprepared for HD development, and that the last 2 years of the Wii's lifespan was pretty barren for 1st party content. 2007 - 2010 was great as a Wii owner (got it in 2007, when they were available again in Canada), but they didn't have much presence in the home console market in 2011 and 2012.

I don't blame Nintendo's current actions for everything though; the Wii U was a risky gambit from the get-go. It either succeeded like the Wii (revolutionized gaming and got away with being weaker, like the original Wii got away with being SD) or it failed as rendering technology advanced (partially resident textures/clipmapping/"MegaTextures", global illumination and physically-based rendering all come to mind). What worries me is that Nintendo is extremely successfun on their own terms, but when they are the ones in control, they're a fish out of water. If Nintendo isn't willing to stick it out with the Wii U, I don't see there being light at the end of the tunnel. It's not a PS3-like situation where all they have to do is cut the fat (Sony was losing a minimum of $300/sale of the launch SKU), cut the price and push out exculsives to recover their brand. It won't cost as much (say low $100 millions vs. billions), but the way forward isn't as clear. IMO, Nintendo either goes $249 companion console or they compete head-on with Sony and Microsoft. As the Wii U shows, there is no in-between.



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