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Hiku said:

I don't have anything against the unification. I like that idea. My concern lies in how they're going to go about it.
Pricepoint, power, will the platforms be bundled? (I assume not, but you never know). Will they use x86 like everyone else, or stick to powerpc because of WiiU backwards capability? What will their next controller be like? Etc.

There are still a lot of ways this can go wrong again.


NX Portable-between Xbox 360 & Wii U in terms of specs, has Wii U level visuals on a 5" screen at 540p, $199.99 at launch

NX Console-between Wii U & Xbox One in terms of specs, plays all the same games at 1080p with better AA, $199.99 at launch



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se7en7thre3 said:

Those against Fusion have to realize, it all boils down to manpower and overall oftware support for Ninty.  

IMO the NX is also about mobile tech catching up, bridging the console gap with the transition to HD.  Now, some of us suspect Nintendo is  more than satisfied with the Wii U level of performance, if you ask ShiggIwata they'd probably say the full potential hasn't been realized.  Remember, with the GCN's disappointing sales, Ninty was so upset they basically remixed the HW for Wii, rather than make the HD leap.  Have a feeling  with U's awful sales, a similar thing will happen, and just like the OP points out the NX home console should be a modest jump. 

Nintendo will continue building its  HD development, which will lead to a rebranding and repackaging of U (NX home version).  Easy to understand why Nintendo doesn't want to put Zelda on a "dead" console, just like TP for GCN, so the goal IMO is now cross-gen to help the launch of new HW and appease U owners.  I am personally hoping for NX home to be without disc, no power brick and be just as portable as the HH... hoping Ninty will go for elegance and appealing design.  

 NX should be a modest evolution from Wii U,   games built with the highest quality assets (home or deluxe vers.) then get scaled down in res and other settings for the HH.  This move is more than necessary for Ninty as they continue alienating themselves from the main market.  If you people that wanted a XB1 level power console from Ninty and compete with MSony again, they had their chance  in 2012 with the 1 yr head start and blew it, so if there was any doubt about the power issue, its dead at this point, don't even dream about "stronger than ps4".  Instead focus on the ultimate Nintendo system, where you get to choose your experience (hh, home, tablet etc).  There may still be platform exclusives, to encourage sales (i would be against this) but NX should mainly be cross plat, & a great thing t Ninty fans should celebrate.

Thank you, very good post. Nintendo simply can't make a console that's between PS4 & PS5 in terms of specs and a seperate handheld that's between Xbox 360 & Wii U in terms of specs and give them each adequate support of exclusives, it's simply not possible and Nintendo-published software is and always has been the main reason to own Nintendo hardware.

A single device that allows me to play all Nintendo-published software? Hell ya that sounds amazing, I don't like having to spend $500-600 on hardware to get the full Nintendo experience like is required this generation.



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zorg1000 said:
Hiku said:

I don't have anything against the unification. I like that idea. My concern lies in how they're going to go about it.
Pricepoint, power, will the platforms be bundled? (I assume not, but you never know). Will they use x86 like everyone else, or stick to powerpc because of WiiU backwards capability? What will their next controller be like? Etc.

There are still a lot of ways this can go wrong again.


NX Portable-between Xbox 360 & Wii U in terms of specs, has Wii U level visuals on a 5" screen at 540p, $199.99 at launch

NX Console-between Wii U & Xbox One in terms of specs, plays all the same games at 1080p with better AA, $199.99 at launch

Generally I agree with this but I'd maybe amend it a bit

NX Portable - Wii U level graphics at 540p-720p, even some more modern lighting/shader effects/more RAM, 6 inch screen at 1280x720, $229.99 launch fall 2016 (300 GFLOPS approx)

NX Console - 3x the portable (900 GFLOPS approx), so not far off from an XBox One. Runs Portable Games at 1080P with some added effects. Has 1-2 new gimmick inputs (head tracking visor?). $199-$229, 2017 launch (?)

I think the initial form factor of the portable will more like a mini-tablet, than a pocket handheld. Tablet form factor will give them more size to disspate heat from a relatively decent chipset and include a larger battery. Smaller form factor can come later when 16 or 14nm shrink is possible. 

If they have things like Zelda at launch they can probably get away with the bigger launch price too -- that will ensure the hardcore Nintendo fans are buying at the start ... whereas Nintendogs couldn't sell a $250 3DS, everyone was waiting for the "real" Nintendo games to show up. 



There isn't really a reason not to. It's a win, win situation.

The major challenge will be backwards compatibility but that can be sacrificed for the greater good.



Personally I don't mind it. I only use Nintendo consoles to play exclusives at this point, as Nintendo made sure that multiplats suck on their platforms. The more Nintendo games I get on a single platform, the better for me then.

It's a whole different thing though when you think what's better for Nintendo. One thing is certain, they have to change what they have been doing the last 10 years. At this point they are between a rock and a hard place. On one hand mobile is destroying their handheld market - I'm 100% sure their next handheld won't get anywhere near 3DS sales. On the other Sony and MS pretty much eliminated them from the home console market (though in reality it was Nintendo that made itself redundant).
Now they somehow have to save themselves, they either need to pick up the glove of Sony/MS or do something different that will work this time. Making games for only one platform is a must if they keep on ditching 3rd parties. If I was them I'd just make a regular console that would get 3rd party support and a Vita-level handheld with easy porting, that would get all Nintendo software. Unfortunately I'm afraid they won't deliver on the power front due to this whole Fusion concept, which will forever force them to the role of "the second, less important console".



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Hiku said:

I don't have anything against the unification. I like that idea. My concern lies in how they're going to go about it.
Pricepoint, power, will the platforms be bundled? (I assume not, but you never know). Will they use x86 like everyone else, or stick to powerpc because of WiiU backwards capability? What will their next controller be like? Etc.

There are still a lot of ways this can go wrong again.


They wouldnt use x86 but probably ARM



Soundwave said:

Can Nintendo even realistically support a PS4 level hardware ... while still making seperate Vita+ level handheld games and smartphone games?

IMO the answer is a resounding NO to begin with.

They can't even deliver an HD Zelda in under 4 years of development.

How the fuck is the next super-duper Zelda PS4-level gonna work under this Nintendo fan fantasy? 7-8 year dev cycle?

People are not happy with the Wii U/3DS release schedules as is. 

Like I said unless Nintendo wants to hire 2000 new people (which they will never do) Fusion may be less a choice and more of the only viable way Nintendo can have multiple hardware models going forward, unless you want zero improvement in visual/design fidelity.


I think this is what they will need to do. At least work closer with smaller 3rd party studios in the west that have got HD experience.  The reason why I think that is because they will get further and further behind the competition and will become a nastalgia box for gamers who like Nintendo games. that audience will continue to shrink every generation. 

For starters I think they coudl work with a engine developer to help them come up with a auto scalable engine that will work on both systems. Crytek may be a good choice for that as they are desperate for work atm and their engine isn't too bad, so I am sure they would be happy to make a new one, or even guys makign the unity engine. 

The problem is NIntendo are too stubborn to try that so I think your vision of fusion will be the only viable option.  I just wish their fusion was a bit more powerful. 



 

 

Well if it makes you feel better I do think the next Nintendo handheld will be quite powerful. Like the N64 or PS4 of handhelds if you will.

With Nintendo being able to get at kids/cheap parents with smartphone/tablet devices and the New 3DS being able to stick around for a few more years to serve the "budget handheld" role ... you probably would want to go back to a higher end mentality with handhelds now to greater contrast smartphone games vs. traditional handhelds.

So you know ... I mean lets say the mobile NX chip is 350 GFLOPS or so ... throw three of those in a box and really Nintendo games would probably look just like any PS4/X1 game for the console variant. 



Because it'd fail case closed. The next Nintendo handheld won't be powerful as an Xbox 360 and Nintendo's next console will be more powerful than a PlayStation 4. Trying to combine these two power gaps would spell utter disaster.



SjOne said:
Because it'd fail case closed. The next Nintendo handheld won't be powerful as an Xbox 360 and Nintendo's next console will be more powerful than a PlayStation 4. Trying to combine these two power gaps would spell utter disaster.

Well, people said that about the Wii motion controlls as well. With the moble technology evolving as fast as it does, we could really be surprised with the power of the next handheld.



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