Actually COD, AC, Batman, FIFA, and Madden are probably 5 of the top 8-9 third party IP on the market today. And Zombi U was a fairly decent launch game to go with that. 

It had decent support at launch. Yeah FIFA and Madden weren't quite up to date but the others were decent enough. The launch just was extremely poor and the games did not sell. It had better third party games at launch than the Wii, Vita, or 3DS did. 

Why should third parties continue to support a system that doesn't have a good outlook for third party sales? This is like the single guy blaming the girl at the bar for not picking on his half-assed advances at the bar and not giving him more time to get to know the real him. After 10 minutes of listening to the guy, can you blame the girl for wanting to go back to the table to sit with her friends? 

The onus was on Nintendo here to come out swinging and show from day 1 that they had changed their stripes, they failed miserably, in this business other companies don't have time to sit around and wait for one company to get their sh*t together. 

Again most of that is irrelevant, like I said u are correct that Nintendo did not make a console with 3rd parties in mind, but that does not change the fact that oniyides claim is incorrect.

If 3rd parties supported Wii U then we would have seen 3rd party releases in the post launch as well. Where was Metal Gear Rising, Dead Island, Bioshock, Colonial Marines, Devil May Cry, Saints Row, Grand Theft Auto, Metro, Tomb Raider, Dead Space, XCOM? These were all 3rd party games that released during Wii U's first year that were never planned to release on Wii U. Sales were not the reason Wii U didn't get these games like Oniyide claimed.

Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed are far bigger than things like Dead Island and Dead Space. 

Even if all those games were available for the Wii U on day 1, I think you know full well they all would've flopped. 

The audience for these games doesn't want a Wii U and Nintendo gave that audience no reason to want one (here's a new Mario game that looks just like the Wii game! And look another mini-game compilation. Our system is fairly similar to the PS3/360 you've already owned for 5-6 years. Please give us $350.). 

Third parties don't owe Nintendo anything, and that's not to be mean, but again it's just like the guy who keeps crying about being single. Get over yourself. Girls don't owe it to you to recoginize you're a special snowflake and date you. You need to go out there and win over a girl, not the other way around. 

Nintendo fans who complain about this operate under a false pretext where they think third parties owe Nintendo something. They don't. The Wii U had some very big third party IP available from day 1, and it all sold like crap. The third parties that opted to pass were honestly smart to do so. 

Yes Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed are much bigger franchises but that's not the point, the point is that the majority of 3rd parties never had any plans to release games on Wii U and u can't expect 3rd party games to sell well on a console that only gets a fraction of these big releases.

When did I ever say 3rd parties owe Nintendo anything? That has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation, u seem to be trying to add things in that don't belong. My entire point was that the majority of 3rd parties never had any intention of releasing games on Wii U, sales had absolutely nothing to do with this decision since they had no games planned since before the device even launched.

They had no reason to want to release games on it in the first place. The console was loser proposition and it didn't take a rocket scientist to predict how it would go. 

Even if it took off with casuals and sold well under that scenario, in what way does that appeal to the maker of Grand Theft Auto? There's no audience over lap. 

PS3/360 owners (the ones who buy all the "core" third party content) weren't going to buy another similar console 5 years too late. 

Honestly Nintendo is lucky they got COD and AC (two of three biggest third party IP on the market) and an entirely exclusive Ubi Soft FPS, they probably didn't deserve even that. 

Sales and demographics do factor into the equation here. Why should a third party support a platform with 0 userbase versus two others with 80 million users? Aside from a console offering a generational leap and thus ushering in a new generation of consumers (which the Wii U does not), there was no appeal. 

The launch title sales for games like Zombi U, Call of Duty: Black Ops 2, Batman: Arkham City, Assassin's Creed III were relatively dissapointing. 

Nintendo had a poor launch in general. I'm actually surprised they got another COD and AC and Batman game still. 

The system was doomed with the audience that buys the big gun third party games from day 1 because of Nintendo's design choice to make a system only roughly as powerful as a PS3/360 and not a full on generational leap ahead. 

In said scenario they're basically asking people who buy third party games (those who pretty much 100% own a PS3/360 already) to buy another similar system with fewer games at a higher price for no good reason other than "Mario". It was a plan that predictably failed miserably. Would anyone have bought a SNES/Genesis level system just as the Playstation/N64/Saturn were launching with a library starting at 0?

It's not just a "Nintendo thing". If Sony or MS tried the same stupid concept, they would find zero audience for such a system and would get minimal to no third party support. Sony can't get big third party support for the Vita, developers are simply looking at the install base and potential sales for their product. 

Ubisoft even delayed the Wii U version of Rayman Legends (originally an exclusive) for a year just to get the game ported to the other systems.

Sounds suspiciously similar to Sega in the 90s.

Again most of that is irrelevant, like I said u are correct that Nintendo did not make a console with 3rd parties in mind, but that does not change the fact that oniyides claim is incorrect.

If 3rd parties supported Wii U then we would have seen 3rd party releases in the post launch as well. Where was Metal Gear Rising, Dead Island, Bioshock, Colonial Marines, Devil May Cry, Saints Row, Grand Theft Auto, Metro, Tomb Raider, Dead Space, XCOM? These were all 3rd party games that released during Wii U's first year that were never planned to release on Wii U. Sales were not the reason Wii U didn't get these games like Oniyide claimed.