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CDiablo said:

The problem is people count a Mario Tennis, Golf, ect as Mario games. They dont hate that there are too many Mario games, they hate that the Mario universe is the theme of so many games.

 

edit:I think you are short on DKC games. You have 1-3, R, TF, 3DS and arent there a few for the GB/C/A?

3DS is Returns, and the GBA ones are 1-3 ports.

And for the first paraghraph, that would apply if the comments are " Oh great! Mario again in another game!pufff..." ,tet the comments are "Oh great! Another Mario game! pfff..."

Anyway, that leaves me the doubt, what kind of genre is "Mario" or "Nintendo"? Like "I don't like Nintendo games"



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The picture implies people don't constantly complain about the rehashing of series like COD too.

There's a reason Nintendo are so frequently criticized for their 'rehashing' of series, a reason that picture illustrates in part. The overwhelming majority of their major active IPs are series they've been churning out for years/decades. Compared to Sony (an easy comparison for obvious reasons) whose 2nd, 3rd and 4th biggest IPs last gen were new, it's easy to understand why people complain.

There's no denying the quality of Nintendo titles, but there's likewise no denying they rely a lot on the same series and characters to sell their consoles each gen.

Pointing out that other publishers rehash games doesn't stop the criticism towards Nintendo being valid ("But officer, those people were doing it too!"). Nor, as i mentioned, are they the exclusive receivers of such criticism. They just happen to be one of three directly competing and constantly compared publishers.

On a side note, this picture/list is way too cherry picked to be taken seriously. Why group series into selective genre? Is the over use of characters not another major criticism towards Nintendo? And why not mention that there are almost 50 'Pokemon' related titles? (and yes, that's without counting the different versions as separate games). I could go on, but you get the point.



There's some massive bias in this list. With the non Nintendo games they're adding all genres together under one series, while they're clearly splitting genres off on the Nintendo side.

How fair is it that they add every Mega Man game including exe titles, the fighting games, racing games, ports, remakes, compilations, etc, and then with Pokemon they only count the Pokemon generations.  They don't count the spinoff games like Pokemon Dash, Snap, the Mysterious Dungeon games, Pokemon Conquest, etc, etc, etc.  This is true for pretty much everything on the Nintendo side of the list.

Also, when people say Mario, they don't mean Mario specifically, but that world. Mario Bros, Super Mario Bros 1-3, Super Mario Bros 2 USA, Super Mario World 1-2, Yoshi's Story, Yoshi's New Island, New Super Mario Bros 1, 2, Wii, Wii U, Luigi U, Warioland 1-4, Super Mario Land 1-2, and Super Princess Peach. I'm probably missing some but right here are 21 "Mario" platformers and this is before you even get into the 3D stuff.



KLXVER said:
CDiablo said:
The problem is people count a Mario Tennis, Golf, ect as Mario games. They dont hate that there are too many Mario games, they hate that the Mario universe is the theme of so many games.


Why? Would Mario Kart be better with all original characters...?

I dont know why I dont feel that way. Maybe preference. Some people like the generic "wacky human" characters of Hot Shots Golf over the Mario crew.



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CDiablo said:
KLXVER said:
CDiablo said:
The problem is people count a Mario Tennis, Golf, ect as Mario games. They dont hate that there are too many Mario games, they hate that the Mario universe is the theme of so many games.


Why? Would Mario Kart be better with all original characters...?

I dont know why I dont feel that way. Maybe preference. Some people like the generic "wacky human" characters of Hot Shots Golf over the Mario crew.


Hasnt Kratos and Ratchet and other characters been in those games?



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KLAMarine said:
phaedruss said:
KLAMarine said:
phaedruss said:
Lol this is stupid. You have to include all of the mario games and spinoffs and all of the zelda games and zelda spinoffs etc. Mario Kart is a mario spinoff for example.

Surely you're able to see the difference between a Mario platformer and a Mario racer.

Surely you're able to see why I'm hesitant to consider it its own franchise at the same time.

The differing mechanics between a platformer and a racer?

phaedruss said:
Not to mention that Nintendo games follow the same formulas and mechanics for the most part since the originals.

Applies to pretty much every game in existence: racing games have all been about getting to the finish line first for example, first-person shooters involve shooting, hack-and-slash involve hacking and slashing, platformers involve not letting gravity kill you.

So what? Other developers have greatly expanded the types of games and scope of games. Nintendo is stagnant pumping out the same games every generation with a few half-assed attempts at new IPs.



phaedruss said:

So what? Other developers have greatly expanded the types of games and scope of games. Nintendo is stagnant pumping out the same games every generation with a few half-assed attempts at new IPs.


Same franchises? Yes

Same games? Not even close...



It's not even giving Nintendo enough credit when you consider that 2D and 3D iterations of each series are basically different genres. People complain about too many Marios and Zeldas, when getting a new 3D game of either of those feels like the rarest freaking thing in the world.



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phaedruss said:

So what? Other developers have greatly expanded the types of games and scope of games. Nintendo is stagnant pumping out the same games every generation with a few half-assed attempts at new IPs.

I thought we were discussing whether a mario racer should be considered a rehash of a mario platformer? Why the sudden shift?



kupomogli said:

There's some massive bias in this list. With the non Nintendo games they're adding all genres together under one series, while they're clearly splitting genres off on the Nintendo side.

How fair is it that they add every Mega Man game including exe titles, the fighting games, racing games, ports, remakes, compilations, etc, and then with Pokemon they only count the Pokemon generations.  They don't count the spinoff games like Pokemon Dash, Snap, the Mysterious Dungeon games, Pokemon Conquest, etc, etc, etc.  This is true for pretty much everything on the Nintendo side of the list.

Also, when people say Mario, they don't mean Mario specifically, but that world. Mario Bros, Super Mario Bros 1-3, Super Mario Bros 2 USA, Super Mario World 1-2, Yoshi's Story, Yoshi's New Island, New Super Mario Bros 1, 2, Wii, Wii U, Luigi U, Warioland 1-4, Super Mario Land 1-2, and Super Princess Peach. I'm probably missing some but right here are 21 "Mario" platformers and this is before you even get into the 3D stuff.


You might be right in terms of how they lump together diffrent megaman games, and others like sonic, and it would be nice if they were consistant, but there are many other games in the image that don't (to my knollage) deserve to be split up like assassins creed.

Even if you include all the spin offs and remakes/remasters for the Zelda and Metroid franchises, you only get only a small number considering the years they've been around. Yet you do hear the Zelda rehash rehash rehash crap. A non-biased image, where they split up the Megaman games and sonc games would still illustrate this.

As for lumping Maro platformers with Wario and yoshi, to me that seems a bit like taking all the batman games ever made, from the nes game to the ackham games, and puting them in the same franchiese.