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badgenome on 06 November 2014
Deeds said:

I agree with your post EXCEPT THIS. I dont think a lack of autonomy is a weakness at all. Why do you think autonomy would work for Nintendo when it did not work for Sega. Sega of America had too much autonomy and it led to infighting between them and Sega of Japan because Sega of America were pissed off that Sega of Japan chose a PowerVR chip instead of a 3Dfx chip for the Dreamcast. Sometimes its better to keeps your divisions on a long leash.

Well, I guess I was rather imprecise there. It's less about NoA or NoE having more autonomy than it is about HQ being less insular and more informed about trends outside of their rather strange little home market. That insularity is in part what makes Nintendo... Nintendo, but unfortunately it's also what keeps them a decade or more behind their competitors in terms of things like online policies.

Though I suppose greater autonomy naturally follows from there. Sega was in many ways just a mess of a company, so I wouldn't let their stupidity color the practice. SCE has had a lot more success with it, for instance. I'd even say it's part of the reason that they cleaned Nintendo's clock with the PS1. Nintendo had always acted as if the world consisted of Japan and America, and that was it. But Sony took Europe very seriously and for the first time really marketed a games console to Europeans in their own languages and on their own terms. I don't think that would have worked so well without giving SCEE a lot more leeway.

It seems like Nintendo themselves has gone backwards on this since the Howard Lincoln era, which you'll surely agree were successful times and certainly not a Sega style clusterfuck. It's hard to imagine Nintendo of America turning down something like Super Mario Bros 2 today and that resulting in the creation of a new SMB 2 for the US market today, and with Iwata becoming CEO of NoA I don't see them becoming more receptive any time soon.



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Deeds on 06 November 2014
thewayofthepath said:
Headline is clickbait. Here's the full context of the quote:

I would love to have Call of Duty on our platform. I would love to have any of the big blockbuster, multi-platform titles. But I have to say, more specifically, I want games that provide a differentiated consumer experience. If you look at the other two competitive platforms, fundamentally, what’s the difference? ...when you look at either one, either by themselves doesn’t have a lot of exclusive content. They have a lot of shared content. Look at it from the standpoint of, what don’t they have? They don’t have our games. They don’t have Mario and Zelda. I’d much rather be where Nintendo is, with a differentiated platform, differentiated set-up experiences that we can provide uniquely to the consumer. Let those other guys battle it out over, you know, which visual representation of Call of Duty is most compelling. I like our chances of having a differentiated console and a differentiated series of experiences.

He still sounds a little condescending. Whatever, he is making more money than me.



Deeds on 06 November 2014
badgenome said:
Deeds said:

I agree with your post EXCEPT THIS. I dont think a lack of autonomy is a weakness at all. Why do you think autonomy would work for Nintendo when it did not work for Sega. Sega of America had too much autonomy and it led to infighting between them and Sega of Japan because Sega of America were pissed off that Sega of Japan chose a PowerVR chip instead of a 3Dfx chip for the Dreamcast. Sometimes its better to keeps your divisions on a long leash.

Well, I guess I was rather imprecise there. It's less about NoA or NoE having more autonomy than it is about HQ being less insular and more informed about trends outside of their rather strange little home market. That insularity is in part what makes Nintendo... Nintendo, but unfortunately it's also what keeps them a decade or more behind their competitors in terms of things like online policies.

Though I suppose greater autonomy naturally follows from there. Sega was in many ways just a mess of a company, so I wouldn't let their stupidity color the practice. SCE has had a lot more success with it, for instance. I'd even say it's part of the reason that they cleaned Nintendo's clock with the PS1. Nintendo had always acted as if the world consisted of Japan and America, and that was it. But Sony took Europe very seriously and for the first time really marketed a games console to Europeans in their own languages and on their own terms. I don't think that would have worked so well without giving SCEE a lot more leeway.

It seems like Nintendo themselves has gone backwards on this since the Howard Lincoln era, which you'll surely agree were successful times and certainly not a Sega style clusterfuck. It's hard to imagine Nintendo of America turning down something like Super Mario Bros 2 today and that resulting in the creation of a new SMB 2 for the US market today, and with Iwata becoming CEO of NoA I don't see them becoming more receptive any time soon.

OK, I'll agree, BUT to be fair Sony has a different corporate culture than Nintendo. Nintendo may fall into disarray if NOE or NOA is given more autonomy. At the end of the day, no company is perfect.

*EDIT* I did not like what they did with SMB2 and the bullshit "let's reskin a different game and use it because the original SMB2 was too hard." excuse they came up with.



KLXVER on 06 November 2014

I would too, but shut the hell up Reggie. Talking down third parties is the last fucking thing you should do.



pokoko on 06 November 2014
Deeds said:
pokoko said:

That makes zero sense.  Do you even know what you're saying?  I don't understand how ...

Listen.  Suppose there were two separate universes.  Ours, where the Wii received little third party support, and then another, where the Wii had everything from the first universe, plus a massive amount of third party support.

WHICH DO YOU THINK IS BETTER.

The one with the games I want to play. If the Wii had 1000000 third party games I didn't give a shit about and one [only one] great Mario game, I'd think it is a shitty console. People have different tastes. If you cant understand that then no amount of mental medicine can help you.

What in the name of cats are you even talking about?  How can you not understand this?  Is this Candid Camera?  



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HoloDust on 06 November 2014

Apart from CoD 1 and CoD 4, I dislike the franchise and I would take Mario and Zelda over it anytime, but his statement sounds a lot like a case of "The (Star) Fox and The Grapes".



Spade on 06 November 2014

Yikes... this is 2013 Don Mattrick levels of bad PR right here.



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Deeds on 06 November 2014
pokoko said:
Deeds said:
pokoko said:

That makes zero sense.  Do you even know what you're saying?  I don't understand how ...

Listen.  Suppose there were two separate universes.  Ours, where the Wii received little third party support, and then another, where the Wii had everything from the first universe, plus a massive amount of third party support.

WHICH DO YOU THINK IS BETTER.

The one with the games I want to play. If the Wii had 1000000 third party games I didn't give a shit about and one [only one] great Mario game, I'd think it is a shitty console. People have different tastes. If you cant understand that then no amount of mental medicine can help you.

What in the name of cats are you even talking about?  How can you not understand this?  Is this Candid Camera?  

LOL, How long did it take you to find that GIF? Posting gifs and pics in a debate are a sign of low IQ. ;)

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Naum on 06 November 2014

I really think some of you are taking things way out of context...

But It's no surprise on this site.



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Deeds on 06 November 2014
Slade6alpha said:
Yikes... this is 2013 Don Mattrick levels of bad PR right here.

It's not bad PR. It's Reggie being a stuck up douche.