people dont buy thirdy parties on wii U.
Only ninty games sell on wii U.

What they have to do?
Same thing as they did on HW, but with a popular western game.

Put a big developer to do a western game with ninty characters on wii U.
Ninty fans would open their mind for 3rd party games, and fans of the game(that buy every game) would have to buy the wii U.

1) Someone said that without third party support Nintendo is fucked. It is fucked to make profits? Sony is making profits in its gaming division with third party [driving sales] and Nintendo is doing it without much third party input. Both Sony and Nintendo are doing something different, but the end result is that they are both making profits. What's different about them? I'll give you a hint, it is two words... one starts with a B and the other starts with a M.

2) Compared to Xbox 360 and PS3 it didn't. It is all relative. Every console has third party support. The question is, did the third party support drive the install base and bring home the bacon. In the case of the N64, Wii and Wii U, it didn't.

3) Lol, why do you think you are special? I''m not going to take your word for it. You made an assertion. Show me proof on Nintendo's balance sheet that the 3DS is making more money/profits [recently] than the Wii U. It's simple really.

Ka-pi96 said: They need to make a console with POWAH! But seriously though, they do need a console more comparable to the PS/Xbox, especially the architecture. They should go x86 as well rather than PowerPC, would make porting a lot easier and would give them a much much better chance of getting 3rd party multiplats as well. 3rd party games are the real system sellers these days so that's what they need to be succesful in the west. Oh... and get some kind good achievement system already!

Playing bayonetta ive noticed that it has achievements, along with a few other games such as Hyrule warriors and Monster Hunter tri. Even if Nintendo didnt have a universal achievement system set up why on earth arent the individual game ones not linked to an account to show they exist.

Don't forget Star Wars!

Ka-pi96 said: They need to make a console with POWAH! But seriously though, they do need a console more comparable to the PS/Xbox, especially the architecture. They should go x86 as well rather than PowerPC, would make porting a lot easier and would give them a much much better chance of getting 3rd party multiplats as well. 3rd party games are the real system sellers these days so that's what they need to be succesful in the west. Oh... and get some kind good achievement system already!

Am I the only one against this? I like the fact that Nintendo is using exotic (custom Power PC chip and GPU) hardware. Id like to see them go even more exotic with their next console, like a SX-ACE based NEC vector CPU, or a tweaked for gaming Fujitsu SPARC 64 VIIIfx processor.

I didn't say first party alone is the solution. but typical third-party multiplats will not be bought on Nintendo-systems and Nintendo-systems don't sell only on typical third-party multiplats. Look at WiiU-launch and PS4 launch in comparison. They had both a lot of typical multiplats. but WiiU didn't sold while PS4 sells. The difference isn't performance, do you think people bought PS4 to play the games they could play on their PS3 with some more pixels? It is more than that. People buy PS4 usually on the promise of future greatness. Many also on this forum refer to their expectations of future titles to justify the purchase. Nintendo doesn't offer this promise. That's the difference and a main reason why multiplats alone don't work.

I never said Nintendo should rely only on first-party. I only said multiplats don't work, at least alone. This doesn't mean Nintendo should avoid getting multiplats. But it shouldn't be the focus. In my post I offered a coopoeration as example, but there is much more. You can look at 3DS, it has third-party support, but only a few multiplats. And that works.

The more pertinent question is what can Nintendo do to increase popularity in the West without compromising the quality of their hardware and software. That is a very difficult question, and as someone who thinks that Western culture including video games is largely vapid and uninteresting, I guess I'm not the person to answer.

Porting difficulty isn't much about the processor-architecture. OK, something really exotic might be problematic, but PowerPC, ARM and x86 all have good compiler-support. So the porting difficulty because of CPU is nearly irrelevant.

I like Where Nintendo is going.. And can't se why they should make Disnye games better.. That would only make sense if they got a +10 years exklusiv deal.. and not even then..

But if they should appeal to the more hardcore gamer.. They should release a more powerful WiiU..

It Should be a normal WiiU, and only getting games that can be played on the Original WiiU.. BUT also have a "steam machine" channel..

That would.. (imo) make it the worlds most complete machine.. capable of anything and with a nice "Internet/off tvplay/ second screen/ and more" controller..

Edit: Or they should cut wiiu life one year before normal.. and release new gen early 2016 (show it e3 2015) complet with more power, steam machine and VR.

(I do offen think this is Nintendo's secret plan (mayby not steam) but that Nintendo made the WiiU like a "transit console", becourse the parts they need for the true revolution,, not was ready/cheap enuf in 2011)

Stop making games with the same mascots for awhile and pump out alot of new IP