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Is Bayonetta 2 sexist?

No 308 71.46%
 
Yes 73 16.94%
 
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Third wave feminists would say it's sexist because it shows oversexualized women.

Second Wave feminists would say women should do what they want, and if a woman wants to dress like that she can, so VG can represent them like that.



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curl-6 said:

Bayonetta owns her sexuality, she has fun with it, she's conscious of and unashamed of it. She's not some innoent vulnerable thing exploited by the camera.

That's a copout.

Silent in the new MGS owns her sexuality, and is clearly concious about the way she dresses, and yet it's seen as explotitive to women and an abuse of percieved vulnerability, and assumed as such even without backstory.

People are just used to picking and choosing what to be offended by as and when it suits them.



Tachikoma said:
curl-6 said:

Bayonetta owns her sexuality, she has fun with it, she's conscious of and unashamed of it. She's not some innoent vulnerable thing exploited by the camera.

That's a copout.

Silent in the new MGS owns her sexuality, and is clearly concious about the way she dresses, and yet it's seen as explotitive to women and an abuse of percieved vulnerability, and assumed as such even without backstory.

People are just used to picking and choosing what to be offended by as and when it suits them.

Strawman. Show me where I've ever said anything about Silent.



curl-6 said:
bubblegamer said:
curl-6 said:

The sexist in all this is you. You are the one setting rules that women "should" abide by and demeaning those who don't.

Nah, you've got it all wrong. You're ready to cheapen women just to make a video game on your console look better. That's beyond sexist. I'm not setting any rules, i'm gay after all and don't like rules much. But there is something we call decensy.

Wrong; I held this position on the first game before it ever touched Nintendo.

The very way you use "cheapen" and "decency" is sexist; you're enforcing the chauvinist idea that a woman is somehow lessened by being sexually open.

It's not like what you say can be traced back or even surprises me. Anyways, your mind set, isn't it? An attitude like that makes it impossible for you to consider anything else. Let's hear a woman on the subject now.



curl-6 said:

Strawman. Show me where I've ever said anything about Silent.

Show me where I claimed you, specifically, had.

I'm saying it's a copout because you are using a manufactured persona to vito the dress sense and suggestive actions of a game character, that doesn't work.

Also a camera panning around the characters crotch, ass, and breasts has nothing to do with enpowerment or a show of power from the character and everything to do with using the character to sell the game., as you put it "sexuality is a selling point", in this case the needless sexualized events are used (mainly in advertising, most notably) to sell the game, it is reduced in that sense, from a powerful woman figure to simply using said womans appeance and actions as a selling point.

Don't misunderstand however, I don't particularly care what they do with the character, or how women are perceived, treated or portrayed in games, they are after all, only games, but there is a clear cut difference between empowerment and abuse.

Which would you call this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkdNzuf7Ftc#t=1m13s

I'd love to hear how blatent forced S&M is considered empowering.

To be very specific, the entire scenario plays out with japanese historical torture, in particular the "Wooden horse", where the victim is bound and forced to carry their entire body weight by the crotch on a jagged or serated edge, which is played out exactly as noted in historical accounts, in the game.



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bubblegamer said:

It's not like what you say can be traced back or even surprises me. Anyways, your mind set, isn't it? An attitude like that makes it impossible for you to consider anything else. Let's hear a woman on the subject now.

As if you were ever open to any opinion that doesn't align with yours...



Tachikoma said:
curl-6 said:

Strawman. Show me where I've ever said anything about Silent.

Show me where I claimed you, specifically, had.

I'm saying it's a copout because you are using a manufactured persona to vito the dress sense and suggestive actions of a game character, that doesn't work.

Also a camera panning around the characters crotch, ass, and breasts has nothing to do with enpowerment or a show of power from the character and everything to do with using the character to sell the game., as you put it "sexuality is a selling point", in this case the needless sexualized events are used (mainly in advertising, most notably) to sell the game, it is reduced in that sense, from a powerful woman figure to simply using said womans appeance and actions as a selling point.

Don't misunderstand however, I don't particularly care what they do with the character, or how women are perceived, treated or portrayed in games, they are after all, only games, but there is a clear cut difference between empowerment and abuse.

Which would you call this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkdNzuf7Ftc#t=1m13s

I'd love to hear how blatent forced S&M is considered empowering.

Go back and actually play Bayonetta. 

It's a game about a woman who humiliates, outdoes, and destroys her male adversaries. A woman who wear her sexuality with pride and draws strength from it both figurativey and literally. There is nothing sexist about sexuality.



curl-6 said:
bubblegamer said:

It's not like what you say can be traced back or even surprises me. Anyways, your mind set, isn't it? An attitude like that makes it impossible for you to consider anything else. Let's hear a woman on the subject now.

As if you were ever open to any opinion that doesn't align with yours...

Of course i was/am. After all i'd like to shake up this perserved heterosexual society we live in, but everything with decensy in mind. Nothing is gained by going vulgar.



curl-6 said:

Go back and actually play Bayonetta. 

It's a game about a woman who humiliates, outdoes, and destroys her male adversaries. A woman who wear her sexuality with pride and draws strength from it both figurativey and literally. There is nothing sexist about sexuality.

Kindly don't make assumptions, I own Bayonetta 2, and despite the choice of unlockable attire I own the latest Fatal Frame, too.

However, owning or not owning the game makes zero difference to the fact that the game clearly potrays a woman that takes on the appearance of the main character,  being tortured sexually,, in this very method:

I am not saying the game is sexist, I am however saying it is not empowering to women, a woman humiliating, outdoing and destroying others, regardless of their gender, male or female, is not empowerment, it is abuse, there is a difference.



bubblegamer said:
curl-6 said:

As if you were ever open to any opinion that doesn't align with yours...

Of course i was/am. After all i'd like to shake up this perserved heterosexual society we live in, but everything with decensy in mind. Nothing is gained by going vulgar.

There's nothing wrong with sexuality; sex is a normal, healthy part of life.