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Is Bayonetta 2 sexist?

No 308 71.46%
 
Yes 73 16.94%
 
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o_O.Q said:
TheJimbo1234 said:
o_O.Q said:
TheJimbo1234 said:


Because nudists are the majority..............

Their opinion can also be wrong and based on utter crap, so just saying "it's their opinion" means sweet f'a =D  

Got proof of the latter part? Becaue basic biology would beg to differ.

whether nudists are a majority or not is irrelevent

people that play video games are a minority so what?

does that mean that it is wrong for you to like video games or discuss them

do you see how silly that is? lol

 

"Got proof of the latter part? Becaue basic biology would beg to differ."

you are aware that there are places on Earth where women never cover their breasts right?

there are also places on Earth where obese women are seen as being the most attractive women

as i said attraction occurs on a spectrum what you are attracted to is not necessarily what i will be attracted to and so on

Er no. If some group is a tiny minority and lack anything like science or logic to back up their opinion, then it is irrelevant. Why not take into account every random and obscure view on this topic? Derp. I mean gaming? The industry that rakes in more than Hollywood is now comparible to nudists? Right.......

Again, these "places" are not even countries but tiny, tiny groups. You always have outliers in stats, so again, why are you including them?  So no, I am right and you need to go get some facts as your argument is "but someone out of 7 billion people might be different"....which isn't an argument but more of a random and pointless statement.

 

i think this discussion is going way off course... you're basically saying that if someone chooses to do something that is not done by the majority of people then they are "wrong"

and i honestly can't believe i have to explain why that is stupid

then again that may be your belief i personally believe that anyone should be free to do whatever they please once it has no negative impact on the organisms around them

No, your justification for why you think Bayonetta is not designed in bad taste is "But a few people don't think so", hence why you have tried to prove that some tiny, tiny minorities think utterly differently to most people.

But you could argue this game is degrading and warps young guys who are likely to already be somewhat socially isolated, by making them think less of women etc. From what I have seen, gamers are pretty chauvinistic when it comes to women and they do tend to opt for these fantasies over reality.



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TheJimbo1234 said:

No, your justification for why you think Bayonetta is not designed in bad taste is "But a few people don't think so", hence why you have tried to prove that some tiny, tiny minorities think utterly differently to most people.

But you could argue this game is degrading and warps young guys who are likely to already be somewhat socially isolated, by making them think less of women etc. From what I have seen, gamers are pretty chauvinistic when it comes to women and they do tend to opt for these fantasies over reality.

 

well if all it takes for them to lose their respect for women is to see a scantily clad women behaving in a provocative manner

then its a loss cause already my friend the minute they start going to clubs they're going to see the same thing

by women who choose to do so because ironically it according to them empowers them

 

i think it would be far more effective to simply tell people that regardless of how a woman act or dresses that you should still respect her (once she is also respectful to you) and also that her characteristics cannot be extrapolated to all other women

and that all women are individuals and unique




o_O.Q said:
TheJimbo1234 said:

No, your justification for why you think Bayonetta is not designed in bad taste is "But a few people don't think so", hence why you have tried to prove that some tiny, tiny minorities think utterly differently to most people.

But you could argue this game is degrading and warps young guys who are likely to already be somewhat socially isolated, by making them think less of women etc. From what I have seen, gamers are pretty chauvinistic when it comes to women and they do tend to opt for these fantasies over reality.

 

well if all it takes for them to lose their respect for women is to see a scantily clad women behaving in a provocative manner

then its a loss cause already my friend the minute they start going to clubs they're going to see the same thing

by women who choose to do so because ironically it according to them empowers them

 

i think it would be far more effective to simply tell people that regardless of how a woman act or dresses that you should still respect her (once she is also respectful to you) and also that her characteristics cannot be extrapolated to all other women

and that all women are individuals and unique


You have obviously never been in a club if you think they dress like that.

Fact is, it adds nothing positive to the game, so why have it in there? It holds back a lot so they should drop it.

 

Yea, ever found a slag who is "empowered" rather than insecure? I haven't. And no, you should respect people based on their actions. If they do something stupid and don't respect themselves, then why should anyone else?



TheJimbo1234 said:
o_O.Q said:
TheJimbo1234 said:

No, your justification for why you think Bayonetta is not designed in bad taste is "But a few people don't think so", hence why you have tried to prove that some tiny, tiny minorities think utterly differently to most people.

But you could argue this game is degrading and warps young guys who are likely to already be somewhat socially isolated, by making them think less of women etc. From what I have seen, gamers are pretty chauvinistic when it comes to women and they do tend to opt for these fantasies over reality.

 

well if all it takes for them to lose their respect for women is to see a scantily clad women behaving in a provocative manner

then its a loss cause already my friend the minute they start going to clubs they're going to see the same thing

by women who choose to do so because ironically it according to them empowers them

 

i think it would be far more effective to simply tell people that regardless of how a woman act or dresses that you should still respect her (once she is also respectful to you) and also that her characteristics cannot be extrapolated to all other women

and that all women are individuals and unique


You have obviously never been in a club if you think they dress like that.

Fact is, it adds nothing positive to the game, so why have it in there? It holds back a lot so they should drop it.

 

Yea, ever found a slag who is "empowered" rather than insecure? I haven't. And no, you should respect people based on their actions. If they do something stupid and don't respect themselves, then why should anyone else?

 

"You have obviously never been in a club if you think they dress like that."

well obviously women in clubs do not dress like bayoneta

however considering that bayoneta dresses in a full body suit i'd say she actually dresses more conservatively than some club women


"Yea, ever found a slag who is "empowered" rather than insecure? I haven't"

woah hold on their buddy i thought you were masquerading for respect for women here

that kind of defeats your point



o_O.Q said:
TheJimbo1234 said:
o_O.Q said:
TheJimbo1234 said:

No, your justification for why you think Bayonetta is not designed in bad taste is "But a few people don't think so", hence why you have tried to prove that some tiny, tiny minorities think utterly differently to most people.

But you could argue this game is degrading and warps young guys who are likely to already be somewhat socially isolated, by making them think less of women etc. From what I have seen, gamers are pretty chauvinistic when it comes to women and they do tend to opt for these fantasies over reality.

 

well if all it takes for them to lose their respect for women is to see a scantily clad women behaving in a provocative manner

then its a loss cause already my friend the minute they start going to clubs they're going to see the same thing

by women who choose to do so because ironically it according to them empowers them

 

i think it would be far more effective to simply tell people that regardless of how a woman act or dresses that you should still respect her (once she is also respectful to you) and also that her characteristics cannot be extrapolated to all other women

and that all women are individuals and unique


You have obviously never been in a club if you think they dress like that.

Fact is, it adds nothing positive to the game, so why have it in there? It holds back a lot so they should drop it.

 

Yea, ever found a slag who is "empowered" rather than insecure? I haven't. And no, you should respect people based on their actions. If they do something stupid and don't respect themselves, then why should anyone else?

 

"You have obviously never been in a club if you think they dress like that."

well obviously women in clubs do not dress like bayoneta

however considering that bayoneta dresses in a full body suit i'd say she actually dresses more conservatively than some club women


"Yea, ever found a slag who is "empowered" rather than insecure? I haven't"

woah hold on their buddy i thought you were masquerading for respect for women here

that kind of defeats your point

Thing is, the clubs I've been to have never been that bad. Sure, the leggings fashion is bad, but actual clothing that tight or wearing revealing things rarely happens because many girls are not comfortable to do it.

No, it reinforces my point. Girls who wear little are (from my experience and from any journal you read) insecure, hence why they do it. Ergo having a lead female character dress like that advocates that type of behaviour. As I have said before, if you want a respectable character, put more clothes on her.



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amak11 said:

I'm surprised 58 people seem to think that it is sexist... the odd part Bayonetta was designed by a female... If anyone brings up misogyny in games or whatever about this title I will firmly slap them in the face. Considering I have somewhat of an attraction to powerful females says a lot about me :P 


And this is exactly why Bayonetta's sexuality is not empowering for women but rather pure fetishization. 

The game was not designed so that women and girl gamers could explore their sexuality and have the chance to feel liberated in a society that otherwise tries to limit the expression of their sexuality; the game was designed so that the main character's sexuality and sexualization would appeal to a specific demographic of heterosexual male gamers. That's a form of sexual objectification. 

Does that mean the game can't have any redeeming aspects and that Bayonetta can't also have positive attributes? Of course not. But let's not ignore a game's problematic aspects just because it's enjoyable. 



Really this game does look like its objectifying a woman to sell sex to male gamers.I call that sexist.



gingergaymer said:


And this is exactly why Bayonetta's sexuality is not empowering for women but rather pure fetishization. 

The game was not designed so that women and girl gamers could explore their sexuality and have the chance to feel liberated in a society that otherwise tries to limit the expression of their sexuality; the game was designed so that the main character's sexuality and sexualization would appeal to a specific demographic of heterosexual male gamers. That's a form of sexual objectification. 

Does that mean the game can't have any redeeming aspects and that Bayonetta can't also have positive attributes? Of course not. But let's not ignore a game's problematic aspects just because it's enjoyable. 

"The game was not designed so that women and girl gamers could explore their sexuality and have the chance to feel liberated in a society that otherwise tries to limit the expression of their sexuality; the game was designed so that the main character's sexuality and sexualization would appeal to a specific demographic of heterosexual male gamers"

could you elaborate on that a little more?

i see this being said a lot and i honestly don't really get it

how would you alleviate that problem?

if for instance as i think you are implying empowerment in this context is linked to appearance then the same argument could apply for a more conservative appearance

lets say she had on bulky armor like a man, for example, and a group of men or women who is attracted to that expressed that attraction

anyone could still turn around and say

"The game was not designed so that women and girl gamers could explore their sexuality and have the chance to feel liberated in a society that otherwise tries to limit the expression of their sexuality; the game was designed so that the main character's sexuality and sexualization would appeal to a specific demographic of heterosexual male gamers"

 

of course i could be interpretting you wrong so if that is the case please elaborate