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Fusioncode said:
Soundwave said:

By diversifying their own 1st/2nd party output.

If say .... Halo was a Nintendo in-house IP, I'd venture a bet that things like COD/Battlefield would probably sell better on their platforms.

Nintendo is the only big publisher that doesn't have a AAA blockbuster IP aimed specifically at older players. Konami has Metal Gear, Activision had Call of Duty, Ubi Soft has Assassin's Creed, Square-Enix has Final Fantasy/Tomb Raider, EA has Madden/Battlefield/FIFA, Take 2 has Grand Theft Auto, etc. 

The closest thing Nintendo has is Metroid, and Metroid simply isn't a big seller (really has not been for 20 years now). 

The reason third parties still keep bringing out things like LEGO, Sonic, Just Dance, Skylanders is because the overwhelming majority of Nintendo's own content is cartoony/mascot based titles or party games.

Would Nintendo fans accept something like an M-rated Shooter? Or would this be Nintendo's strategy to get new fans on the console? I do like the idea of Nintendo getting into different genres.  

There is very little to no demand for a violent shooter on Nintendo platforms. If there was then Nintendo would be making those games.  When was Nintendo ever the go to console for violent action games?  They have always had a very family friendly image for the most part.  Nintendo has never tried to be edgy like Sony, Sega, or even Microsoft. 



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The problem for Nintendo is that people have little incentive to purchase 3rd party games on their console if they have another alternative ie PC/PS4/XBONE. There are a number of reasons why people prefer to play 3rd party games on platforms other than Nintendo's and they include superior graphics/online/achievements not to mention the problem of many games not even being available at all on their platform.

Nintendo's strength has always been software so they should stick with what they do best and put aside gimmicks. Invest the limited hardware budget that they do have in order to provide a mid range console in terms of power that uses standard pc parts that will make it painless for developers to port games to their console.

I think that short of outright buying exclusivity at this stage there is little Nintendo can do with the Wii U and 3rd party game support. What they should do is learn from their mistakes and double down on their first party game output while providing an easy to develop for and midrange console when they release the Wii U's successor.



 

 

Nexus7 said:
freebs2 said:


Execpt this guy left the company 10 years ago, and he had nothing to do with the WiiU and most likely even with the Wii.

Yamauchi was President of Nintendo until 2005. That means he had a lot to do with green lighting the original Wii and adopting the blue ocean strategy. 

The philophies at Nintendo did not change once Iwata took control. Iwata believes in the traditional views original set by Yamauchi.  

Wii and DS had were a completely different approach from GC and N64. What views are you referring to?The fact they don't moneyhat 3rd parties to make games? 



Well, if you see, everytime someone ask nintendo about the 3rd party issue, they say:"well, they need install base, and to install base grow, we need great games, the games we are making". You can look up, they always give a answer like that. They enver talk about promotion with them, or bring exclusive feutares.

Remenber the Wiiu ads and the 3DS ones. How many of them featured a 3rd party game? How many of the sony and microsft ones featured 3rd parties? You can actually remenber one from Sony os MS that don't have a 3rd party game featured on it?

In this e3, fossil figthers and Fantasy life were announced for 3DS in americas, but they were totally missing from the digital event, rigth?

The answer is pretty simple for nintendo: they need to colaborate on promoting them, just that.

Will work? Well, there is actually one point were its is working: indies. Almost every kickstarter have a wiiu goal. Everyday we got announcment of indie port for wiiu, and a lot of them declared: nintendo came to us.

And the problem is, nitnendo never really colaborate with 3rd party. Look up for two articles : http://www.infendo.com/nintendo-and-ea-a-lovehate-history/
and
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:aQZIIbglKogJ:www.dromble.com/2014/01/07/dolphin-tale-story-of-gamecube/+&cd=1&hl=pt-BR&ct=clnk&gl=br&client=firefox

Another one of them gave us this:
"

At the time, Nintendo believed “Geist” — a first person shooter published by Nintendo — would be GameCube’s “Halo Killer”. And everyone inside the meeting reassured Reggie that “Geist” would become a huge hit with the older hardcore gamers who loved “Halo”.

“And then at the end [of the presentation], Reggie looked around the table and basically said “Look, don’t bullshit me. How do you guys really think this thing is going to hold up?” No one said a word for a minute

Mercury then made another recommendation to Fils-Aime: “The other game we should really be focusing on is Resident Evil 4. This game is going to sell consoles. Period.”

Reggie was surprised at the idea of giving a bigger push to a third party title.
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Source:
http://67.227.255.239/forum/showthread.php?p=76703919

Even recently we discovered that while the development of need for speed was going, some developer tried to get a demo out to convince people to buy the game, but neither nintendo or EA cared enough to do something.

What nintendo need to do is put some level of priority on the publishers needs. They need to call their partner now and ask: hey, lego batman 3 beyond gotham is coming, but we want to make sure that is sells well on ours plattaforms. Maybe we could bring some demos to the conventions we are attending? Work on some exclusive content? Put a nintendo direct only for this game? Fans really like the first lego undecover, what will take to make another one? Maybe we could publish it in some part of the world, to be cheaper for you guys?

They need more that. They do some of that with tecmo, capcom and sega, but now they need to do it with western publisher too.



"Hardware design isn’t about making the most powerful thing you can.
Today most hardware design is left to other companies, but when you make hardware without taking into account the needs of the eventual software developers, you end up with bloated hardware full of pointless excess. From the outset one must consider design from both a hardware and software perspective."

Gunpei Yoko

it's not their job to make us buy those it's the turd parties job to make en effort. do quality work, do not release game later at a higher price when others have have them for cheaper. do not release the last installment and then announce other ports of the previous games on other platforms.

seriously anyone thinking it is Nintendoes job are clearly ignorant!



    R.I.P Mr Iwata :'(

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freebs2 said:

Wii and DS had were a completely different approach from GC and N64. What views are you referring to?The fact they don't moneyhat 3rd parties to make games? 


 The fact that Nintendo doesn't believe in overwhelming third party support. They design consoles for their own games and if third parties want to jump on board then they have to make the first move. Nintendo just doesn't appreciate third party support. If they did then they would have made a console that was more in line with the PS4 and XB1 to make third party developers happy.  

 Nintendo needs to change their tune and start asking for feedback from developers to help design any future consoles. Hey, it worked for Sony. It's time Nintendo stopped living in their own little universe.



Roma said:
it's not their job to make us buy those it's the turd parties job to make en effort. do quality work, do not release game later at a higher price when others have have them for cheaper. do not release the last installment and then announce other ports of the previous games on other platforms.

seriously anyone thinking it is Nintendoes job are clearly ignorant!

Well if we stick with this sort of attitude then Nintendo is never going to any 3rd party support. Is that what you want?



Sigs are dumb. And so are you!

Nintendo fans do buy third party see n64 gc and wii.



Nexus7 said:
freebs2 said:

Wii and DS had were a completely different approach from GC and N64. What views are you referring to?The fact they don't moneyhat 3rd parties to make games? 


 The fact that Nintendo doesn't believe in overwhelming third party support. They design consoles for their own games and if third parties want to jump on board then they have to make the first move. Nintendo just doesn't appreciate third party support. If they did then they would have made a console that was more in line with the PS4 and XB1 to make third party developers happy.  

 Nintendo needs to change their tune and start asking for feedback from developers to help design any future consoles. Hey, it worked for Sony. It's time Nintendo stopped living in their own little universe.

If that is the case. Then Nintendo can't complain at low hardware sales. If they truly don't want to deal with 3rd parties. Then they have to expect 20-30m lifetime system sales all the time. And produce enough games for people to play for 5 years.



rik said:
Nintendo fans do buy third party see n64 gc and wii.


Only very specific ones... And the situation got a loooot worse with the Wii/Wii U than it was with the N64/Gamecube, and it was already a problem back then.