it already can be used in conjunction with others, and at no time in the 9 months or so its been out, no other button or joystick as got in its way, their is more then enough room for all of it unless your suffering from gigantism.

and i have told you how, if you actually tried to debate my points instead of going back to your check list of things you claim to be gimmicks, you might have noticed.   It is used as mouse functionality,   so when the joysticks are used up for the camera and movement, you can still select from other windows that are on your screen, aswell as select things you see.  this is especially useful in ff14 when you have multiple enemies engaged, aswell as having allies to heal. or for nagivating merchant screens.    yes, some parts can be used as a joystick, but not always, and compared to having an actual touchpad, as you would on a laptop.. its not even close.

as for killzone,  all the shoulder buttons were taken, and you said to use a shoulder button to bring up the directional inputs on the touch pad.   if you use one to bring up secondary functions on the d-pad, you will still be short 1 input.   and thats still FAR more akward and time consuming then a simple swipe

this thread is getting hilarious.   only on vgchartz lol

edit:  btw here is a video for a 3rd party controller

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di1c1F8YBCo#t=52

Notice how it has a touch pad and share button?     as those are important parts, sony wants those to be there.  by letting controllers with lower functionality work, they run the risk of consumers that dont know shit getting stuck with a controller that wont fully work with a new game they just bought.   Give it some time for more of these controllers to come out.

It can't be used at the same time. If my thumb is on the face buttons/left stick and my index finger is on the shoulder/triggers I will have to move one in order to manipulate the touchpad. Either that or I will have to contort my hands in a way that just isn't natural. That is why it won't take off. And maybe your hands are just super tiny because I struggle to press the options button without hitting the touchpad.

So look at this controller. Look how the options button has been shoved aside because of the touchpad. Now if I want to pause something (which I often do when viewing media/netflix etc) I have to move my thumb up to the tiny spot whereas I would have only needed to shift my thumb slightly to the left on 360 or dS3. Is that a big deal? Not really, but since I need the options button much more than I need the touchpad, it is annoying. If the thing causing this discomfort was actually useful I might now mind as much. With these things small design decisions can make a big difference. I have similar nitpicking problems with the X1 controller, the devil is in the details. 

As Dr_Henry_Killinger pointed out FF14 and Warthunder also support mouse and keyboard functionality so the touchpad on the ds4 is still the inferior way to play those games.

This OP vs the world is starting to remind me of the thread my sig is from .

The controller is actually one of the main selling Points when going for XBox. For some weird reason, I have never gotten used to the PS controller. I haven´t tried the DS4, but the problem still lies in button layout for me, and using symbols instead of letters for the buttons.

i can use my fingers to touch the touch screen while while using the joysticks. Are you not capable of touching other buttons on the controller while simultaneously using both sticks? and my hands are of decent size, and i never have an issue, and non of my friends have ever complained about it. you seem to be one of the few who does, and it makes such a big deal to you, you make a thread before you even own the console.

if you have problems hitting one or the other, maybe you should go buy something to help with your manual dexterity. there is more then enough room for both. and to say they compete against each other is one of the most insane things i have ever heard.

in a game like killzone your going to need the pause button more then the 4 tools it lets you use? or in tlou your going to pause the game more then you are going to look at supplies and put stuff together, or increase skills. i think bf4 is the only game i own where the options button is used more, and thats because BF4 does a shit terrible job at using it. Other games though have been very good at it.

yes warthunder and ff14 give you the option, but what it you dont have an extra mouse and keyboard, or a set up that would let you use them well with your tv? PLUS thats not even the point at hand because you can use those. as an extra option. you want to use your 360 controller. that doesnt have as many inputs as a M&KB. they let you use a M&KB because it has enough available extra input options that you wont be left with any not used. if you use your 360 controller, you are short those inputs.

or wait, this thread isnt about you wanting to use a 360 controller, its so you have a place to try and bash the ds4 and your failing misreably

I mean the DS4 is amazing. It literally is the best dual analogue controller ever made.

It would be nice. For me it goes like this

1 - 360 controller
2 - Wii U pro controller (Only the L3 R3 click is inferior to the 360. Lack of analogue triggers doesn't bother me)
3 - DS4
4 - X1





10 - DS3

If you truly don't like the DS4, then wait until a third party controller comes to the store shelves:

i.imgur.com/oSi1MMu.jpg (according to Joe Vargas)

Problem solved! Now stop posting these click bait articles with childish rants to follow them up.

When you say fingers I'm assuming your excluding your thumbs and index fingers? So you would actually use your other digits while maintaining your thumbs in the normal position? I'd love to see that, that couldn't possibly look comfortable. Your friends don't complain about it, but my friend who I borrowed the ps4 from has already told me he misses the xbox controller.

Yes, I do use the options button more. Outside of the first party titles, none of the games I have played have required me to use the touchpad. And as I mentioned, it is used for pausing games and other media. Part of my issue with its position is muscle memory. Start buttons have almost always been in the same general area since the NES days. I can get used to change but only when that change is in service of something worthwhile. The touchpad has not proven its worth and unlike sixaxis it is also permanently hindering the design of the controller.

But if people don't have a keyboard and mouse then how they are still playing a gimped version. You could take away the touchpad inputs and use only a regular controller and it would still be gimped. Are you arguing levels of gimped? And no I don't care that I'm losing inputs with the 360 controller because those inputs have not been used in a compelling way and any adapter will have ways to map that functionality in some other way. Most games aren't going to use it extensively so its not a big deal.

If you love your ds4 controller that is fine, but your dead wrong if you think that I'm not dead serious about wanting to use an xbox controller on the ps4. I paid a mint for the privelege on ps3 and I'd be willing to do the same for ps4. The fact that it is not an option is literally the only reason I haven't bought the console yet. I don't care about bashing the ds4, some of you have a serious persecution complex.

Stop reading. Problem solved.