So we have 15m in the next 16 months?

-I can see Xbox One reaching 10m by the end of this year. Maybe a little less

-I can also see WiiU reaching 10m by the end of this year. With Mario Kart and Smash Bros being released Nintendo does not have a franchise bigger in them

-However they have zelda. I could see WiiU getting to 15-18m next year

-I could see 20-22m for Xbox One.

That is a 7m Gap max but id predict more aound a 4m gap. PS4 being around 30-33m

So ill put have it at

-PS4 - 30m
-XBO - 20m
-WiiU - 16m

I don't think PS4 will do 7 million in the next four and a half months so X1 certainly isn't. I think the gap by the end of 2015 will be 5 or 6 million between X1 and Wii U

This ^^^

The Xbox One is in serious trouble at the moment and has been since it's launch window started. I'm convinced that the Xbox One is overtracked on here, Microsoft's silence on sales is deafening. It's only doing 'okay' in the States and has been an undeniable and unmitigated flop in Europe so far. And the worst thing is that Microsoft don't have anywhere near the stable of system selling IPs that both Sony and Nintendo have to get it out of jail.

So you're expecting PS4 and XBO to sell quite similarly next year? I don't see that happening.

I'd say:

PS4: 34m

XB1: 16m

WiiU: 14m

Toastboy, just a question, what is your end of the prediction for the PS4?

I have PS4 selling roughly 14m, XBO selling 10m, and Wiiu selling 7m.  

Hype has been good for PS4 no doubt.  I expect it to continue to outsell XBO but I dont expect it to sell 24m in the next 16 months, it is plausible as i do have a max 33m count, however i see it as less likely than 20m.  I expect it to more or less about the same.  XBO on the other hand i expect to improve over this year.

So you think Wii U is gonna do 4 mill and X1 will do 7 mill this holidays.

Then 12 million again in 2015 while the Wii U will only get 3 million sales in 2015?

No way toastie

4 mill Wii U would be optimistic if it wasn;t for Smash, so I'd say 5 mill, cause Smash would easilly be 1-2 mill right there.

Even 6 mill is a strech for the one so I would say 4-6 mill with 6 mill being lucky for the XB1 in holidays.

Thats 11mill(Wii U) to 11mil(XB1), too close to tell

in 2015, Xb1 having 3rd party will definetly outsell Wii U, but it would probably happen at the beginning of the drought

The issue is how do we predict 2015 sales.

Without any major system sellers the Wii U will probably do worse next year than it did this year so thats 11 million max and at worst 5.5 million so I'm just average that and says 8 mill.

XB1 will probably sell the same or a little better at best considering Halo is at the end of the year and its release schedule for exclusives is similar to this year so I would say 11-12 mill. Thats at worst for wii u a 6.5mill gap,(Wii U 11 + 5.5) vs (xb1 11 + 12) but probably a gap of around 3 million, with XB1 at 22 million and Wii U at 19 million.

This is, of course, assuming the PS4 doesn't affect either sales much, but if it did XB1 sales would be much lower, since it has multiplats, and the gap might even be reversed at Max having the WIi U or XB1 3mill over one another.

Yeah I guess I'm going by current trends (PS4 selling more than double XBO) but it could go either way. I think PS4 will have a strong holiday (as will XBO) but with The Order and Bloodborne at the start of next year the PS4 will start better and hold its momentum much better for next year.

The Wii U doing 3 million for all of next year sounds pretty silly