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You say one thing but get contradicted with another. Why cant you just let the game happen instead of complaining about originality or art styles from beyond the grave.



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Moneyhatting is only bad when it's the other company does it.

Publishers don't care what platform their game is on. MS paid SE good money and that's all that matters for SE.



1. Most gamers here seem to be Nintendo and Sony guys. Nintendo guys are pretty irrelevant in this, their console doesn't get most of these 3rd party games. Sony guys lose out on some big games, so naturally that is the situation that creates the biggest stink here.

2. Continuing on that path, a lot of the people here who ARE Sony supporters, seem to be people who came in during the PS2 era, back when it was Sony doing the moneyhatting. They've bitched about it the last two gens because it's a new experience to them. The dominant era of PS1/2 created a sense of entitlement with some people. PS3 broke some of them of this, much like it broke Sony of most of its arrogance. PS4 is dominating, not quite to that level, and it still angers some that it still goes on. I guess some people see PS4 at 10,000,000 units and WiiU at 7 or whatever million and Xbone at 5 or whatever million and they think 3rd party companies due to the gap should be begging Sony to even allow them to be making PS4 games or something. I mean, that thread about Square potentially killing Tomb Raider with this move was hilarious and eye opening in terms of how out of touch people are in regards to Sony and the industry.

3. Rustled jimmies. Naturally there is always some of this going to be happening. It might make good business sense to many for a deal like the Tomb Raider one to happen, or for From Software to take Sony's money and make Bloodborne or whatever (I always get this confused with the Platinum Xbone game, hope I got the name right) or Bayonetta 2 to be Wii U exclusive, but a gamer on a competing console will hate that move.

4. When Sony does it, there are no words to describe how great it is. When MS does it, it's worse than cancer. This is extremely evident after Gamescom where suddenly MS is the devil for moneyhatting games but omg wow did you see these PS4 games?

Bloodborne (moneyhat exclusive from 3rd party company)
The Order 1886 (moneyhat exclusive from 3rd party company)
The Tomorrow Children (moneyhat exclusive from 3rd party company)

I heard Housemarque showed off another PS4 exclusive, throw that one in there too. There is simply a difference in reaction to what happens when company A does it versus company B. Even on NeoGAF right now there is a huge thread about Tomb Raider where they make sure to point out right in the thread title "timed exclusive" and yet for Ninja Theory's new game it's "first to console on PS4" LOL.


Personally IDGAF either way. The only thing in this whole scenario that has ever rubbed me the wrong way is Destiny's timed exclusive DLC inside of paid DLC, and even that's not too big a deal because I am not buying the game.



AgentZorn said:
Moneyhatting is only bad when it's the other company does it.

Publishers don't care what platform their game is on. MS paid SE good money and that's all that matters for SE.


Bro, get your head out of your butt, you dont know what you are talking about clearly.



VanceIX said:
ICStats said:

Well, funding a new IP like Titanfall is fair game.

If MS is paying to block an IP from a console on which that IP sells best, and is likely to sell 3 times more on PS4 than XB1 let alone PC sales, it's a betrayal to fans.  If I was working at CD I'd probably be searching for another company to work right now.

Betrayal to fans? Microsoft is looking out for their own fans, and this deal made it possible for them to give their fans a game completely omptomized for the Xbox One. 

Microsoft is company, as is CD/SE. They aren't here to make sure every single gamer is happy. They are here to make money, and that's what Microsoft is giving them. 

Companies can't just make dick moves for quick profit because they're just "here to make money".  Building and preserving reputation is important to a businesses to keep making money.

Sony did the exact same thing with Final Fantasy when they stole it from Nintendo, and Nintendo did the exact same thing with Bayonetta 2. Like I said before, the industry isn't a fantasy land where the companies all work together to make everyone happy. No. They look out for themselves and their fans, and getting exclusive rights to games is one of the ways of doing so.

Final Fantasy switched to PS1 because of CD vs cartridge.  Do you have evidence that Sony paid for Final Fantasy?

Bayonetta was a niche flop.  Bayo 2 would not exist if it wasn't funded by Nintendo.

If someone at CD heard this news, they would probably just be happy that Microsoft is paying for their salaries. They don't care if some people who only have a PS4 feel betrayed for whatever reason.

No, people will be shamed by this.  Skilled and important staff can always find other jobs for a company that doesn't let them down.




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VanceIX said:
ICStats said:

Well, funding a new IP like Titanfall is fair game.

If MS is paying to block an IP from a console on which that IP sells best, and is likely to sell 3 times more on PS4 than XB1 let alone PC sales, it's a betrayal to fans.  If I was working at CD I'd probably be searching for another company to work right now.

Betrayal to fans? Microsoft is looking out for their own fans, and this deal made it possible for them to give their fans a game completely omptomized for the Xbox One. 

Microsoft is company, as is CD/SE. They aren't here to make sure every single gamer is happy. They are here to make money, and that's what Microsoft is giving them. 

Sony did the exact same thing with Final Fantasy when they stole it from Nintendo, and Nintendo did the exact same thing with Bayonetta 2. Like I said before, the industry isn't a fantasy land where the companies all work together to make everyone happy. No. They look out for themselves and their fans, and getting exclusive rights to games is one of the ways of doing so.

If someone at CD heard this news, they would probably just be happy that Microsoft is paying for their salaries. They don't care if some people who only have a PS4 feel betrayed for whatever reason.


Wow you are so wrong.

 

1. RotTR was already announced dor PS/PC at E3 and the Xbox was already getting it.So their fans were getting the game regardless.

2.  The X1 is weaker so the game will not be at it's best and optimizing for the X1 will not make it run any better.

3. TR will not make them any money as they are having trouble selling their console with Titanfall, a price cut and several bundles.

4. Once again Sony NEVER paid for exclusives.Where do you people get that from? f hey did they would do it now.

5. Final Fantasy was not stolen from Nintendo as Square moved from the 64, because of Nintendo's stubborness to stick with cartridges. Look it up, it's well documented. FF sold much bette on PS anyway and became a global icon cause of Sony.

6. CD should care about the people who buy their games.You make no sense with that comment.

7. I feel like people just are ignoring the reality to defend MS.



LudicrousSpeed said:
1. Most gamers here seem to be Nintendo and Sony guys. Nintendo guys are pretty irrelevant in this, their console doesn't get most of these 3rd party games. Sony guys lose out on some big games, so naturally that is the situation that creates the biggest stink here.

2. Continuing on that path, a lot of the people here who ARE Sony supporters, seem to be people who came in during the PS2 era, back when it was Sony doing the moneyhatting. They've bitched about it the last two gens because it's a new experience to them. The dominant era of PS1/2 created a sense of entitlement with some people. PS3 broke some of them of this, much like it broke Sony of most of its arrogance. PS4 is dominating, not quite to that level, and it still angers some that it still goes on. I guess some people see PS4 at 10,000,000 units and WiiU at 7 or whatever million and Xbone at 5 or whatever million and they think 3rd party companies due to the gap should be begging Sony to even allow them to be making PS4 games or something. I mean, that thread about Square potentially killing Tomb Raider with this move was hilarious and eye opening in terms of how out of touch people are in regards to Sony and the industry.

3. Rustled jimmies. Naturally there is always some of this going to be happening. It might make good business sense to many for a deal like the Tomb Raider one to happen, or for From Software to take Sony's money and make Bloodborne or whatever (I always get this confused with the Platinum Xbone game, hope I got the name right) or Bayonetta 2 to be Wii U exclusive, but a gamer on a competing console will hate that move.

4. When Sony does it, there are no words to describe how great it is. When MS does it, it's worse than cancer. This is extremely evident after Gamescom where suddenly MS is the devil for moneyhatting games but omg wow did you see these PS4 games?

nCBloodborne (moneyhat exclusive from 3rd party company)
The Order 1886 (moneyhat exclusive from 3rd party company)
The Tomorrow hildre (moneyhat exclusive from 3rd party company)

I heard Housemarque showed off another PS4 exclusive, throw that one in there too. There is simply a difference in reaction to what happens when company A does it versus company B. Even on NeoGAF right now there is a huge thread about Tomb Raider where they make sure to point out right in the thread title "timed exclusive" and yet for Ninja Theory's new game it's "first to console on PS4" LOL.


Personally IDGAF either way. The only thing in this whole scenario that has ever rubbed me the wrong way is Destiny's timed exclusive DLC inside of paid DLC, and even that's not too big a deal because I am not buying the game.

They never money hated though.Are you pepople really this clueless? LOL why would they stop paying for games if they done it before?

Bloodborne is a first party game as is The Order and the companies are second party not third party so they don't fund their own game.You cannot compare them to a game that is third party that been on other consoles since it's debut and published by a third paty company.The Tomorrow people is an indie,not sure if Sony is publishing it, but they are publishing that Housemarque game too.

Do you even know what you are talking about ringing up Bloodborne and The Order? They are not third party.



ICStats said:

Companies can't just make dick moves for quick profit because they're just "here to make money".  Building and preserving reputation is important to a businesses to keep making money.

Sony did the exact same thing with Final Fantasy when they stole it from Nintendo, and Nintendo did the exact same thing with Bayonetta 2. Like I said before, the industry isn't a fantasy land where the companies all work together to make everyone happy. No. They look out for themselves and their fans, and getting exclusive rights to games is one of the ways of doing so.

Final Fantasy switched to PS1 because of CD vs cartridge.  Do you have evidence that Sony paid for Final Fantasy?

Bayonetta was a niche flop.  Bayo 2 would not exist if it wasn't funded by Nintendo.

If someone at CD heard this news, they would probably just be happy that Microsoft is paying for their salaries. They don't care if some people who only have a PS4 feel betrayed for whatever reason.

No, people will be shamed by this.  Skilled and important staff can always find other jobs for a company that doesn't let them down.


You live in an ideal world where companies don't do sly moves for money. That's what most corporations do, and SE is at the top of them. They don't have a reputation of "building and preserving" reputation. The biggest companies out there (EA, Activision, SE) all don't, and they all are successful, for right or wrong.

Sony has had a personal relationship with SE for years. SE could easily have released FFX and XII on other platforms, but Sony owned almost 20% of their stock and had a decent amount of say in the partnership. Sony also got GTA III/VC/SA as timed exclusives back then, or did you forget that?

And no, no one will be shamed by this, not in the real world. This will get blown over in a month or two, and the devs will continue working for SE just the way they used to. They don't care about petty "betrayals" that some fans seem to be exaggerating, they care about paychecks and making a living. 

You don't quit your work for small things like that.



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GamingGamer said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
1. Most gamers here seem to be Nintendo and Sony guys. Nintendo guys are pretty irrelevant in this, their console doesn't get most of these 3rd party games. Sony guys lose out on some big games, so naturally that is the situation that creates the biggest stink here.

2. Continuing on that path, a lot of the people here who ARE Sony supporters, seem to be people who came in during the PS2 era, back when it was Sony doing the moneyhatting. They've bitched about it the last two gens because it's a new experience to them. The dominant era of PS1/2 created a sense of entitlement with some people. PS3 broke some of them of this, much like it broke Sony of most of its arrogance. PS4 is dominating, not quite to that level, and it still angers some that it still goes on. I guess some people see PS4 at 10,000,000 units and WiiU at 7 or whatever million and Xbone at 5 or whatever million and they think 3rd party companies due to the gap should be begging Sony to even allow them to be making PS4 games or something. I mean, that thread about Square potentially killing Tomb Raider with this move was hilarious and eye opening in terms of how out of touch people are in regards to Sony and the industry.

3. Rustled jimmies. Naturally there is always some of this going to be happening. It might make good business sense to many for a deal like the Tomb Raider one to happen, or for From Software to take Sony's money and make Bloodborne or whatever (I always get this confused with the Platinum Xbone game, hope I got the name right) or Bayonetta 2 to be Wii U exclusive, but a gamer on a competing console will hate that move.

4. When Sony does it, there are no words to describe how great it is. When MS does it, it's worse than cancer. This is extremely evident after Gamescom where suddenly MS is the devil for moneyhatting games but omg wow did you see these PS4 games?

nCBloodborne (moneyhat exclusive from 3rd party company)
The Order 1886 (moneyhat exclusive from 3rd party company)
The Tomorrow hildre (moneyhat exclusive from 3rd party company)

I heard Housemarque showed off another PS4 exclusive, throw that one in there too. There is simply a difference in reaction to what happens when company A does it versus company B. Even on NeoGAF right now there is a huge thread about Tomb Raider where they make sure to point out right in the thread title "timed exclusive" and yet for Ninja Theory's new game it's "first to console on PS4" LOL.


Personally IDGAF either way. The only thing in this whole scenario that has ever rubbed me the wrong way is Destiny's timed exclusive DLC inside of paid DLC, and even that's not too big a deal because I am not buying the game.

They never money hated though.Are you pepople really this clueless? LOL why would they stop paying for games if they done it before?

Bloodborne is a first party game as is The Order and the companies are second party not third party so they don't fund their own game.You cannot compare them to a game that is third party that been on other consoles since it's debut and published by a third paty company.The Tomorrow people is an indie,not sure if Sony is publishing it, but they are publishing that Housemarque game too.

Do you even know what you are talking about ringing up Bloodborne and The Order? They are not third party.

alta please



Azerth said:
its only frowned upon if its Microsoft that did the moneyhatting


yup, pretty sure this is how it works.



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