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amak11 said:
VanceIX said:
amak11 said:
The problem when people bring up this argument, they think "it cost this much to upgrade". They don't think the average consumer knows nothing about gaming PCs. The initial investment is significantly more expensive than a console. But the pay-offs are only higher graphical fidelity and a higher frame rate.

So cheaper games, all 7 generation worth of games, mods, and free online are nothing now?


Now look at the quote I put in italics. Does that make any sense to you with your obviously upset response. Incase you didn't understand... The average consumer knows nothing about gaming PCs

I was just replying to your second statement, not the first.

And I would argue that due to services like Steam and Nexus streamlining games on PC, people know more about PCs than ever. Even building one is easy, there's no solder work or anything like that.



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Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Good luck, OP. Also the issue with PC is the entry cost not the service cost. Generally, speaking their are many instances where the entry cost and the usage cost balance out and are even lower than consoles, but this is not always the case.

E.G. consider the COD bro i.e someone who only plays COD. If he buys the yearly COD series on release day, you can get it for 50-60 on PC and 60 on Console day 1. PC deals will be irrelevant to him and that 10$ he saved will still end up costing him more than if he went the console route. Things become even more hairy if he sells the game to get the new version, since you can't do that on PC, he is buying a new copy on PC versus a trade-in copy on console. The PC ends up costing him more per game in the long run.


Are you comparing playing COD on a PC vs. playing it on a console? Really?

I won't even talk about the visual gap, just the free online on PC vs. the $60 per year on console, resulting on a $400 added cost during a 6/7 years console lifetime of gaming.

But the real  issue here is input, I know everyone has its own tastes but you can't objectively compare the Keyboard+Mouse combo with a gamepad, that is just a joke!



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Game_God said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Good luck, OP. Also the issue with PC is the entry cost not the service cost. Generally, speaking their are many instances where the entry cost and the usage cost balance out and are even lower than consoles, but this is not always the case.

E.G. consider the COD bro i.e someone who only plays COD. If he buys the yearly COD series on release day, you can get it for 50-60 on PC and 60 on Console day 1. PC deals will be irrelevant to him and that 10$ he saved will still end up costing him more than if he went the console route. Things become even more hairy if he sells the game to get the new version, since you can't do that on PC, he is buying a new copy on PC versus a trade-in copy on console. The PC ends up costing him more per game in the long run.


Are you comparing playing COD on a PC vs. playing it on a console? Really?

I think your confusing a COD bro and a competitive COD player.

I won't even talk about the visual gap, just the free online on PC vs. the $60 per year on console, resulting on a $400 added cost during a 6/7 years console lifetime of gaming. 

Visual gap is irrelevant. As for online subscription, that would possibly drive the expense up.

But the real  issue here is input, I know everyone has its own tastes but you can't objectively compare the Keyboard+Mouse combo with a gamepad, that is just a joke!

Input is utterely irrelevant to my example





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VanceIX said:

I was just replying to your second statement, not the first.

And I would argue that due to services like Steam and Nexus streamlining games on PC, people know more about PCs than ever. Even building one is easy, there's no solder work or anything like that.


Building one yourself sounds easy, but you need technical know how. If you force DDR3 RAM in to a DDR2 slot (mysteriously), you're doing something wrong. I have many people come and ask me where they can buy GDDR5 RAM because of the PS4. I usually tell them it doesn't exist in the context you're thinking of. My second statement refers to primary reasons; Steam, GOG, humble bundle, etc are all secondary and not primary reasons to build a gaming PC. You are building a gaming PC because you want higher fidelity and a higher frame rate and higher resolutions



VanceIX said:
jigokutamago said:
That's true, unless you buy a Wii U which is $300 and free online.

Very true. The Wii U has a vastly different library than the PS4/One/PC though. The latter tend to be very similar in overall games, while the Wii U is full of exclusives. A PC can be a replacement for one of the other consoles, but it doesn't really work as a replacement for the Wii U.

Playstation exclusives never go to PC either, so... nope im not getting a PC, Demons Souls, Uncharted, Bloodborne, GT, Driveclub, The Persona Series, God of War, Valkyria Chroniicles, the Tales Games, Disgaea, Drakengard, Infamous, The Last of Us, The Yakuza Games, The Neptunia Games, Twisted Metal, Dragons Crown etc etc. i wont purchase a PC just to play the best version of the multiplats, i just wont.



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jigokutamago said:
That's true, unless you buy a Wii U which is $300 and free online.


The thing is Nintendo games NEVER drop in price, so can't buy them on the cheap later on. Even used. That really pisses me off, seeing how all other games drop to acceptable levels and only N games remain expensive, sometimes even becoming more expensive than at launch (Xenoblade). Ridiculous.



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My consoles: PS2 Slim, PS3 Slim 320 GB, PSV 32 GB, Wii, DSi.

Scisca said:

The thing is Nintendo games NEVER drop in price, so can't buy them on the cheap later on. Even used. That really pisses me off, seeing how all other games drop to acceptable levels and only N games remain expensive, sometimes even becoming more expensive than at launch (Xenoblade). Ridiculous.


up until the wii i think that was right.
but with the wiiu i have seen 1st party games drop in price ... hell nintendo is even giving away games for free if you buy mario kart.

you know something is not seeling well enough if games which never ever would get a pricecut in older gens to giving away free games :(

 

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well if you need to buy a complete new pc with all parts it can get expensive.
if you have only to upgrade simple parts like mobo, cpu, memory, gpu then $500 is more than enough until next gen.



Scisca said:
jigokutamago said:
That's true, unless you buy a Wii U which is $300 and free online.


The thing is Nintendo games NEVER drop in price, so can't buy them on the cheap later on. Even used. That really pisses me off, seeing how all other games drop to acceptable levels and only N games remain expensive, sometimes even becoming more expensive than at launch (Xenoblade). Ridiculous.


Nintendo has no control over Xenoblade copies that are out there. Retailers found some and started selling them at rediculously high prices. Wal-mart is pretty bad for this. They have Other M for 80 dollars at the store in my city. Also, Wonderful 101 recieved a price drop, as did a lot of the launch titles. 



Well, they could re-release the game for a fair price in the "Nintendo Selects" program. Or offer it in the eShop, optimized to run smoothly in Wii mode of the Wi U. Or even offer it as HD-version natively for Wii U.



amak11 said:
VanceIX said:

I was just replying to your second statement, not the first.

And I would argue that due to services like Steam and Nexus streamlining games on PC, people know more about PCs than ever. Even building one is easy, there's no solder work or anything like that.


Building one yourself sounds easy, but you need technical know how. If you force DDR3 RAM in to a DDR2 slot (mysteriously), you're doing something wrong. I have many people come and ask me where they can buy GDDR5 RAM because of the PS4. I usually tell them it doesn't exist in the context you're thinking of. My second statement refers to primary reasons; Steam, GOG, humble bundle, etc are all secondary and not primary reasons to build a gaming PC. You are building a gaming PC because you want higher fidelity and a higher frame rate and higher resolutions

No MBs these days have slots for DDR2, so that doesn't even matter. An average consumer would realise very fast that DDR3 is normal RAM, if they didn't already know.

And there is little technical know-how needed now. Maybe in the past where parts were incompatible, but these days you can just use PC Partpicker to make sure all your parts work out before you purchase them. The rest is as easy as putting together some Legos.

estebxx said:
VanceIX said:

Very true. The Wii U has a vastly different library than the PS4/One/PC though. The latter tend to be very similar in overall games, while the Wii U is full of exclusives. A PC can be a replacement for one of the other consoles, but it doesn't really work as a replacement for the Wii U.

Playstation exclusives never go to PC either, so... nope im not getting a PC, Demons Souls, Uncharted, Bloodborne, GT, Driveclub, The Persona Series, God of War, Valkyria Chroniicles, the Tales Games, Disgaea, Drakengard, Infamous, The Last of Us, The Yakuza Games, The Neptunia Games, Twisted Metal, Dragons Crown etc etc. i wont purchase a PC just to play the best version of the multiplats, i just wont.

So, did you not bother to read the bolded line in the OP? Yes, Playstation exclusives don't go to PC. But that doesn't mean that PC doesn't have exclusives. Civilization, Star Citizen, Total War, Counterstrike, Gary's Mod, Guild Wars, TF2, and the thousands of indies that consoles don't get. Not to mention that modded games like Skyrim and Fallout destroy their console alternatives, and are beter than almost any game imaginable due to the openess. And that PC has access to emulators, which is a different story all together. Let's not pretend that it doesn't go both ways.



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