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If you don't copy this message and send to 5 different friends your console will explode. My main problem with consoles is loading times in the big triple A games, it's such a waste of time when you constantly have to stare at a loading screen 20-60 seconds. In the past 2 weeks I was on vacation and played Fallout 3 for the first time, I picked the GOTY edition on steam summer sale for 5 euros. I played it on max settings on my 5 year old pc with graphics mods and no loading times. All that time I was playing I was imagining the pain if I played it on my PS3 and had to stare at a loading screen every time I entered or left a building. PC is best system no questions hands down no doubt right in money but PS2 is king.



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RenCutypoison said:
VanceIX said:

And after that, you will never have to truly rebuy a new PC. Things like the HDD, case, fan, etc. can be reused for a relatively long time, or at least until they get too worn out. You won't ever have to spend $1000 again after the initial investment.


Not at once at least

CPU 6 years = 300 $

GPU 5 years = 450 $

Random shit broken for a random reason = 20$/year

Mouse/keyboard 3 years = 100$

Screen 5 years = 120 $

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Yeah, of course not at once, I'm saying you'll never have to make an initial investment again, just add in an upgrade once or twice a decade.

BTW, you pay $100 for a mouse and keypad? Wow.

And screen is the same with consoles as well.



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plip.plop said:
Just a quick random thought, but isn't the PS4, and Xbox 1 technically PC's, just running on a custom OS.
The only real console left is the WiiU.

lol. What do you think the WiiU is, alien tech? It's a PC too, just a weaker one. A console is still less expensive than a comparable PC because the company behind it sells it for less than it would cost you to build one that's as powerful.



Egann said:
The major factor the OP neglects: most people these days who aren't going to get a dedicated gaming rig will get a laptop or a tablet, which are just about useless for high power gaming. About 2010 a PC tower became a specialized piece of equipment, and by and large a tower is what you need for gaming.

Not completely accurate. A lot of people still buy desktops. People just don't upgrade those nearly as much as they do tablets and notebooks, which become outdated much faster. Also, families may have multiple tablets or notebooks while only one desktop, which they feel less inclined to consistently upgrade due to their notebooks or tablets.



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Captain_Tom said:
RenCutypoison said:
Captain_Tom said:


I love how you pull these numbers out of your @ss.  My cousin is currently using a 5 year old screen perfectly contently (That is also used for his PS4 so it doesn't just apply to PC's), and he has also been using an old 5 year old gaming laptop as well.  Both work great!  However my brother had to buy a new PS3, and some of my friends have bought multiple 360's.

 

The replacement parts argument goes both ways people.


I don't pull them of my ass, i pull them of what i see. Your cousin story is great, but at some point people have to replace pieces. If you bought a gaming pc 5 years ago, you just can't run watch dogs now. And of course you can keep the same screen for 20 years if you want (Most of jap indies run on pentium 3 in 800*600 after all), but most gamers like new stuff.


A 5870 and core 2 quad runs Watchdogs just fine bud, and that with a core 2 quad would have cost ~$1000 5 years ago.  

EDIT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrw2K47fXLc

Also my cousin's monitor is 1680x1050, and that is quite a bit higher than 800x600 lol!  But I don't get why monitors are being mentioned here. Both consoles and PC's use them so anything you say about one applies to the other.


Because it's too expensive to be put in "random shit"

Yes it applies to both, but who doesn't have a tv in 21th century ?



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Captain_Tom said:

http://wccftech.com/report-pc-gaming-hardware-market-worth-215-billion-worldwide-2/

Funny. Comparing hardware revenue generated in PCs to consoles? Do you realize how flawed that is? 

Compare a platforms hardware revenue that can sell a GPU that in of itself costs more than consoles, and that is just one of many components to a platform that basically just sells you a box and maybe an extra controlller and nothing else? Do you realize that just ONE PC gamer could spend up to $2000 on GPUs, CPU, SSD or "computers, upgrades and peripherals" as the article you linked to clearly states wheras that same amount of money is revenue generated from selling FIVE PS4s to FIVE different people???? You don't see the problem with that?

I am not saying PC gaming isn't growing, but its nothing like what most PC gamers like to make it sound. Just look at software sales. Look at watch dogs, compare sales of that game on consoles to PCs. Then look at GTA5, do you think if that game was released simultaneously on consoles and PCs PCs would have sold even up to half of the console sales?



The problem when people bring up this argument, they think "it cost this much to upgrade". They don't think the average consumer knows nothing about gaming PCs. The initial investment is significantly more expensive than a console. But the pay-offs are only higher graphical fidelity and a higher frame rate.



amak11 said:
The problem when people bring up this argument, they think "it cost this much to upgrade". They don't think the average consumer knows nothing about gaming PCs. The initial investment is significantly more expensive than a console. But the pay-offs are only higher graphical fidelity and a higher frame rate.

So cheaper games, all 7 generation worth of games, mods, and free online are nothing now?



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flagstaad said:
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL441D9BF9F40D0E5E

Here's a playlist of PCs that range from $350 to $1000+. Now, most of these are already outdated so you can get even better performance for the price if you do a little research on the latest version of these parts... Obviously a $350 PC can't play Crysis at Max settings but the performance is good enough to play most games at medium-high (depending on the game obviously).

I do think people vastly over estimates how much PC gaming costs. Back in the beginning of ps3/360 era, PC gaming costed a fortune thing was indeed the case. A PC that had the equivalent power of a ps3 would have costed you more than $1500 but that is not the case anymore for ps4/x1 third party games... If you want ps4/x1 level performance for third party games, you can certainly build a PC for <$1500 but > $700 that will give u equivalent performance/graphics and the best part is, Steam is Free and you can always upgrade ur PC in the future and really, all you really need to upgrade is the GPU since most PC games are GPU intensive

Something like the following (As an example) would definatly give u a higher performance/graphics than the ps4/x1...

For the first time since 2002 I am considering buying a gaming PC instead of a second console because I am starting see that there are not really a good advantage to the Xbox One or PS4, and I am starting to see many disadvantages (paying for online, higher game price, and others). It looks like the purchase will be done in winter 2015, I really don't care too much about the graphics of a game but I would like them to be good, how much can a PC that is similar in graphics capabilities to a PS4 would cost me right now? how much could it cost me in 1 year? Thanks for your advice.

Well, if you want equalivent, I say right now, you can get a PC for $800 that will give u either exact performance as the ps4 at minimum or more in certain cases. You can also get a PC thats for $600 right now that is also the exact performance as a ps4 but its too much in the borderline imo, if you pay $800, its a guarantee. But if you want to buy one in winter 2015. it will cost you $600 at most to get a PC that has the same performance as a ps4. Now, I say at most because getting a PC in winter 2015 is a really great time to get on and the reason is that DDR4 should be coming out in 2015 and what that will do is make all the DDR3 memory dirt cheap. And on top of that, a proper intel refresh as well as nvidia/amd gpu refresh should get the costs down in their last generation cards by a lot! So, if you do decide to wait (which I recommend) and get a in winter 2015. You will be saving a lotttt of money while having the same if not better performance than a ps4 in third party games



                  

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VanceIX said:
amak11 said:
The problem when people bring up this argument, they think "it cost this much to upgrade". They don't think the average consumer knows nothing about gaming PCs. The initial investment is significantly more expensive than a console. But the pay-offs are only higher graphical fidelity and a higher frame rate.

So cheaper games, all 7 generation worth of games, mods, and free online are nothing now?


Now look at the quote I put in italics. Does that make any sense to you with your obviously upset response. Incase you didn't understand... The average consumer knows nothing about gaming PCs