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Intrinsic on 13 July 2014
VanceIX said:

Is calling your statement ignorant derogative? If so, I apologise. But like I already said, 8 million simultaneous users during a sale this summer. That is in no way "niche". In no way did I call you ignorant as a person, but your statement certainly was.

fair enough, but my problem wasn't that  you called me ignorant per say (which you didn't although calling a statement which you didnt understand ingnorant beyond belief would lead some sorts to respond in a mesy way and then the conversation as a whole will become ugly) , but that you referred to my statement as ignorant while not even understanding what i said.

I didn't say PC gaming is a niche market. That will be ridiculous when you consider that every single PC is a gaming platform. Even if they are used to play farmville on Facebook.

I said "This is a niche topic, for a niche market" and went on to explain that the only people that care about stuff like this are a small number of gamers. Not ever PC gamer is hardcore. there are some that have no problem running whatever game they can get to run on tehir PCs and not go to the lenghts of buying GPUs and whatnot. A lot of those kinda gamers actually play on $400 laptops and have steam accounts cause besides piracy they can get free games. Think of it this way, howmany people do you think own a PC or a laptop in the entire world? 500M? 1B? 1.5B? and of that number, how many o you think care enough to upgrade or get gaming PC? That is why I say its a niche market. And saying something is niche doesn't mean it has small numbers. But if you represent less than 5% of a platform, you are niche. even if that 5% is 50M users.



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Dr.Henry_Killinger on 13 July 2014
Scisca said:
jigokutamago said:
That's true, unless you buy a Wii U which is $300 and free online.


The thing is Nintendo games NEVER drop in price, so can't buy them on the cheap later on. Even used. That really pisses me off, seeing how all other games drop to acceptable levels and only N games remain expensive, sometimes even becoming more expensive than at launch (Xenoblade). Ridiculous.

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VanceIX on 13 July 2014
Intrinsic said:
VanceIX said:

Is calling your statement ignorant derogative? If so, I apologise. But like I already said, 8 million simultaneous users during a sale this summer. That is in no way "niche". In no way did I call you ignorant as a person, but your statement certainly was.

fair enough, but my problem wasn't that  you called me ignorant per say (which you didn't although calling a statement which you didnt understand ingnorant beyond belief would lead some sorts to respond in a mesy way and then the conversation as a whole will become ugly) , but that you referred to my statement as ignorant while not even understanding what i said.

I didn't say PC gaming is a niche market. That will be ridiculous when you consider that every single PC is a gaming platform. Even if they are used to play farmville on Facebook.

I said "This is a niche topic, for a niche market" and went on to explain that the only people that care about stuff like this are a small number of gamers. Not ever PC gamer is hardcore. there are some that have no problem running whatever game they can get to run on tehir PCs and not go to the lenghts of buying GPUs and whatnot. A lot of those kinda gamers actually play on $400 laptops and have steam accounts cause besides piracy they can get free games. Think of it this way, howmany people do you think own a PC or a laptop in the entire world? 500M? 1B? 1.5B? and of that number, how many o you think care enough to upgrade or get gaming PC? That is why I say its a niche market. And saying something is niche doesn't mean it has small numbers. But if you represent less than 5% of a platform, you are niche. even if that 5% is 50M users.

PC gaming is niche in the PC market, yes. But PC gaming is NOT niche in the overall AA-AAA gaming market.



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Raze on 13 July 2014

I built my gaming rig in 2011 for about $550, still keeps up with the new releases. OP is very correct.



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Nettles on 13 July 2014
RenCutypoison said:
VanceIX said:

And after that, you will never have to truly rebuy a new PC. Things like the HDD, case, fan, etc. can be reused for a relatively long time, or at least until they get too worn out. You won't ever have to spend $1000 again after the initial investment.


Not at once at least

CPU 6 years = 300 $

GPU 5 years = 450 $

Random shit broken for a random reason = 20$/year

Mouse/keyboard 3 years = 100$

Screen 5 years = 120 $

...


Hmm.Well my keyboard was made in 1991 and is still going strong.Mechanical keyboards last longer and thats what most gamers are using now. But even the old rubber domes i remember using the same one for 13 years and it still worked fine.Screen is also debatable and cut the price of the GPU in half while you're at it.



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jigokutamago on 14 July 2014
Tamron said:
jigokutamago said:

True, the only difference is that if you want to be buying a lot of new games 2-3 years later, the PS3 may not be the best choice.

Can you say, hand on heart, that the WiiU definitely will be too?

Nope, you can never definitely sure on things like this.

The odds however, are in the WiiU's favor I think.



Tamron on 14 July 2014

If pc gaming is niche, because "more people play consoles", then console gaming is niche because more people play mobile games.



RenCutypoison on 14 July 2014
Nettles said:
RenCutypoison said:
VanceIX said:

And after that, you will never have to truly rebuy a new PC. Things like the HDD, case, fan, etc. can be reused for a relatively long time, or at least until they get too worn out. You won't ever have to spend $1000 again after the initial investment.


Not at once at least

CPU 6 years = 300 $

GPU 5 years = 450 $

Random shit broken for a random reason = 20$/year

Mouse/keyboard 3 years = 100$

Screen 5 years = 120 $

...


Hmm.Well my keyboard was made in 1991 and is still going strong.Mechanical keyboards last longer and thats what most gamers are using now. But even the old rubber domes i remember using the same one for 13 years and it still worked fine.Screen is also debatable and cut the price of the GPU in half while you're at it.


Old keyboard reaction time =s

Also a 200$ GPU won't last 5 years imo



Tamron on 14 July 2014

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Scisca on 14 July 2014
amak11 said:
Scisca said:

Dude, you should check who Monolith Soft belongs to and maybe then you'd realise they have no say whatsoever on this matter. All your "they can't" arguments are bs. If Nintendo wanted to do anything with the game, they'd do it, they can release another print any time they see fit and nothing or nobody on this planet can stop them.

Is e-shop even a bigger piece of garbage than I thought it was? It really takes that much effort to put a game on it, that it would steal resources from games in development!? Yikes!


Dude, stop being an ass. It would not natively work on the Wii U OS without doing a port. It would steal resources from more important things to do a port. You automatically think that "it's just a wii, and it has wii mode, that means wii games must work natively without any effort" The Wii U natively has no ability to play Wii games on it's own OS, nor will it ever. That's why there is Wii Mode. the Wii Shop, not the eShop (learn the fucking difference) is unable to support full retail Wii games. 

The eShop can, but Nintendo wont spend their time and money in to porting the game to the Wii U, from the Wii just to lower the cost that retailers have decided to jack up (not Nintendo) on Xenoblade....  

This is a question of porting, not wether the eShop can support these titles (the biggest title on Wii U being 21gb). You're just finding a reason to hate Nintendo now. 


I'm not an ass, you're talking bullshit and I'm calling you out on it. Think before you write stupid stuff in the future. "Nintendo just can't reprint games when they want", "They likely aren't allowed to produce more units", "Monolith Soft would have final say in whether they could reprint it. Nintendo only distributed and published it. The set agreement would have been for X retail copies. This would require a new agreement." <- it's all bs you pulled out of your ass and have no argument to support any of it. Nintendo can do whatever it wants with Xenoblade, they can release extra copies at any moment. The fact that they don't want to doesn't mean they can't. Deal with it and stop making up stuff.

Please explain to me why Xenoblade wouldn't work on WiiU? Why would anyone need a port? Who cares if the game works natively on WiiU OS or through Wii Mode? What difference does it make? Why even bring such a stupid argument? You buy the game, put it into a Wii U and play it, who cares why and how it works? There is no port needed, no extra resources required whatsoever, that's why Nintendo made the console backwards compatible. Also let's not forget that Wii U is so "hot" that even Xenoblade not working on it wouldn't be any kind of an argument, since it's working on a console that sold 100 mil. A Xenoblade remake would be a big new release though and I'd surely buy it, but it's not necessary for anyone to enjoy the game on Wii U. You're just making up pointless arguments to support your flawed thesis.

So eShop is even a bigger piece of crap than I though it was? Unbelievable! And no, I'm not going to learn the difference, I don't care. If Nintendo is a company from the stoneage, they miss out on my money and I couldn't care less. That's the power of being a consumer in a market where there is competition.

It's not about lowering the costs that retailers put. The price wouldn't be this high, if Nintendo released more copies, which is obvious. At this point nobody benefits from this situation apart from retailers. Nintendo doesn't earn a single penny, gamers either lose absurd money or miss out on one of the best games from the last generation (and only Nintendo is to blame for this). If they made a reprint with a $30 price they'd not only earn some money, but allow gamers to enjoy their game.

It's not a matter of porting. If you think that an old Nintendo game costing $80-100, while Sony/MS sell such games for $3-5 is "finding a reason to hate Nintendo", then it's just your opinion, but I do believe that is a very strong argument and so does my wallet. And not to "hate" but against Nintendo for sure. The only saving grace Nintendo has is they made the Wii so easy to softmod, that one can play the game for free without much hassle.



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