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Puppyroach on 15 July 2014
Avro1958 said

 

I see a lot of tinfoil hat opinions here. Sony will probably expand the streaming service to PS4 games ONCE the PS5 is out.  But again even if the PS5 moved to a all streaming device it's still different than what MS tried to do.  Why people can't see the difference is very puzzleing. 

You need to be online to stream as the content, if people need to understand how streaming is done google it. MS tried and are still trying to take games you purchase and the console does most of the work to play but instead adds elements that need to have a constant connection to use! Even for single player! I understand needing to be online to use multiplayer (no brainer) but for single player? that is complete BS. The chances of the PS4 going the way of a streaming device is moot, It can add the feature but you will always be able to get the games via physical media or digital. 

I am perfectly aware of the differences, but to think that Sony will not take measuers to try and move towards an "always-online"-future during this generation is naive to say the least. I heard the exact same arguments about PS+ during the PS3 era: "Sony will never charge for multiplayer", and where are we now?

MS had a wider plan with the "always online". It also meant the family sharing would come in effect, saving money for the gamers. Also, it would enable a faster stransition of the industry into streaming-only and digital-only software, which I personally think this industry needs.

I agree with you that having always online for a game that never uses it is stupid in its own right, but this is about a system that is always online with all the benefits that come from it, and that is an idea I believe in. I also think Sony believes in it, they are just taking it a different route than MS.

So it would be ok with you if PS5 was a streaming-only device? Even though you would always have to be online in ordert to play singleplayer games?



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eva01beserk on 15 July 2014
Puppyroach said:
Avro1958 said

 

I see a lot of tinfoil hat opinions here. Sony will probably expand the streaming service to PS4 games ONCE the PS5 is out.  But again even if the PS5 moved to a all streaming device it's still different than what MS tried to do.  Why people can't see the difference is very puzzleing. 

You need to be online to stream as the content, if people need to understand how streaming is done google it. MS tried and are still trying to take games you purchase and the console does most of the work to play but instead adds elements that need to have a constant connection to use! Even for single player! I understand needing to be online to use multiplayer (no brainer) but for single player? that is complete BS. The chances of the PS4 going the way of a streaming device is moot, It can add the feature but you will always be able to get the games via physical media or digital. 

I am perfectly aware of the differences, but to think that Sony will not take measuers to try and move towards an "always-online"-future during this generation is naive to say the least. I heard the exact same arguments about PS+ during the PS3 era: "Sony will never charge for multiplayer", and where are we now?

MS had a wider plan with the "always online". It also meant the family sharing would come in effect, saving money for the gamers. Also, it would enable a faster stransition of the industry into streaming-only and digital-only software, which I personally think this industry needs.

I agree with you that having always online for a game that never uses it is stupid in its own right, but this is about a system that is always online with all the benefits that come from it, and that is an idea I believe in. I also think Sony believes in it, they are just taking it a different route than MS.

So it would be ok with you if PS5 was a streaming-only device? Even though you would always have to be online in ordert to play singleplayer games?

Your right about that. But the thing is that if by next gen everithing is streamed then prices will be like the pstv 100$ not the 500$ xbox one. So nobody is going to complaine about that since most likely it will come free with some kind of subscription.



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Puppyroach on 15 July 2014
eva01beserk said:

 

Your right about that. But the thing is that if by next gen everithing is streamed then prices will be like the pstv 100$ not the 500$ xbox one. So nobody is going to complaine about that since most likely it will come free with some kind of subscription.

I agree and I personally thought MS should have gone with the streaming-only option but I understand how they wanted to make a combination of the two. It was also to heavily focused on DRM, but I guess that comes with the territory.

I am positive about the steps Sony are taking now btw, I think they should start releasing PS4 games only on PS Now within a couple of years, and reduce those prices at the same time.



Dr.Henry_Killinger on 15 July 2014
fireburn95 said:
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2008ProchargedGT on 15 July 2014
phaedruss said:
I find it ironic how people who are online all day complain about something being online all the time.



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Avro1958 on 15 July 2014

I highly doubt Sony goes with a always online strat since not doing that is one of the main reasons they are where they are this gen because they did they opposite. Nieve? No just a realist. Besides until Sony does this is nothing more then baseless speculation and rather moot.



fireburn95 on 15 July 2014
Puppyroach said:
eva01beserk said:

 

Your right about that. But the thing is that if by next gen everithing is streamed then prices will be like the pstv 100$ not the 500$ xbox one. So nobody is going to complaine about that since most likely it will come free with some kind of subscription.

I agree and I personally thought MS should have gone with the streaming-only option but I understand how they wanted to make a combination of the two. It was also to heavily focused on DRM, but I guess that comes with the territory.

I am positive about the steps Sony are taking now btw, I think they should start releasing PS4 games only on PS Now within a couple of years, and reduce those prices at the same time.


To release PS4 games, their servers will have to be massively upgraded. I don't think they could really afford to invest any more into it at least until PS5 is out to backwards play ps1,2,3,4. Hopefully better worldwide internet by then so almost nil latency.



fireburn95 on 15 July 2014
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
fireburn95 said:
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wilco on 15 July 2014
fireburn95 said:
kowenicki said:
fireburn95 said:
umm ps now is to play ps3,2,1 games on ps4(and other stuff)

Microsofts cloud is to provide compute power to xbox one native games, which means if games require cloud even for their single player (ala sunset overdrive) then it is always online


for now...

Its the first step after all.

wise up.

 


Well ps4's lead system architect is critical of cloud for processing:

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/2009150/ps4s_mark_cerny_critical_of_cloud_computing.html

 

but once they do/if they do, we will be equally critical of them.
But they're not...
And they also originally didn't intend to have an always online situation.

They also orignally didn't intend to charge for multiplayer.



fireburn95 on 15 July 2014
wilco said:
fireburn95 said:
kowenicki said:
fireburn95 said:
umm ps now is to play ps3,2,1 games on ps4(and other stuff)

Microsofts cloud is to provide compute power to xbox one native games, which means if games require cloud even for their single player (ala sunset overdrive) then it is always online


for now...

Its the first step after all.

wise up.

 


Well ps4's lead system architect is critical of cloud for processing:

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/2009150/ps4s_mark_cerny_critical_of_cloud_computing.html

 

but once they do/if they do, we will be equally critical of them.
But they're not...
And they also originally didn't intend to have an always online situation.

They also orignally didn't intend to charge for multiplayer.


For PS4 they did. It was snuck in, but definitely not hidden at the february launch event.
I mean, it's not like they could charge for online midway into the ps3's life cycle.
Anyone who thought PS Plus wouldn't be the xbl gold equivelant is really.. well.... stupid.

We are criticising the new gen. With every gen there are new policies and features.
From day 1, all of sony's policy's have been met.

From day 1, all of microsoft's policy's havent been met. Some have been changed, binned, kept or delayed.
The one in question is always online.