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pokemon its the same game since GB they just add a 3-4 new pokemons .. i know because a was a nentendo fan on wii era but not any more after a got my ps3 all my interes for mario and friends die ,



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MDMAlliance said:
deskpro2k3 said:
DarkRPGamer007 said:
You do realize all those "mediocre" games are higher rated than AAA fighters and racers on other consoles buddy


They're over rated in my opinion, but it does not mean its not a good game. Just mediocre at best.


Mediocre: of only moderate quality; not very good.

I'm assuming you kind of started using that word without knowing what it meant.

 

If you don't mind me being harsh about it, then I'll be 100% honest and say they're not very good.



deskpro2k3 said:
MDMAlliance said:

 

I think they are mediocre.

Mediocre is a measurement of the inherent quality of a game.  

People still buy Mario games because what else Nintendo has to offer?

The fact that you're saying that shows how little you know. Do you need a list?

Paper Mario, is still Mario. Same plot, same progression. Its mediocre.

Except it's not.  You must have never played Paper Mario if you think it's the same plot, and same progression.  That's a flat out lie.  You keep using the word "mediocre."  I don't think that word means what you think it means.

I think it is. Nothing different, just new Pokemons, different plot and same progression.

You probably only played the original pokemon.  The new Pokemon add a lot more than just a different plot and new pokemon.  There are plenty of new mechanics.  The fact that you don't know that means you are not entitled to have an opinion on this that anyone should listen to.

They tried something new and moved on.

 I don't even know how this is an adequate response to what I said.

Just because they sell well doesn't mean they're not mediocre.

I never said that.  HOWEVER, you are telling Nintendo to stop making them.  Who would do that?  I also do NOT think they are mediocre.  There are objective matters that show they are not mediocre (on average at the least).  Also, you're trying to put this like it's Nintendo as a whole and only talk about 3 franchises that you clearly know little to nothing about.

I never said they don't care, I said they care about Pokemon, Zelda, and Mario more. Too damn much as a matter of fact.

The matter of fact that you're NOT paying attention to is the fact that those are some of their biggest franchises.  The reason it looks like they care "too much" about them is because they are big sources of profit for them, so they will stand out more than their other titles.  HOWEVER, they definitely pay close attention to their other IPs as well.  However, you wouldn't really know anything about that given how you've been replying so far.

I know a lot about them. Thats why I don't like them anymore. Too much of the samething gets boring.

No you don't.  If you did, you would have made at least one informed post here, and I don't see any.

I dislike anything with Mario and Zelda in it because they're everywhere. They use them to sell their games. That is weak and lazyness.

No it isn't.  It's normal to do it.  If the game is good, why does it matter whether or not it has them in it?  Also, Zelda is rarely used in that context anyway.  Characters are not everything.  They are only but a small medium within a game, and depending on the genre they may mean less or more.  This is why your opinion doesn't matter. 









MDMAlliance said

 

 

Mediocre is a measurement of the inherent quality of a game.  

That is why I think they're mediocre. As in not very good quality.

 

The fact that you're saying that shows how little you know. Do you need a list?

A list of more Mario, and Pokemon games? No thanks I all ready have one in the OP, and the type of games that I want Nintendo to make more of.

 

Except it's not.  You must have never played Paper Mario if you think it's the same plot, and same progression.  That's a flat out lie.  You keep using the word "mediocre."  I don't think that word means what you think it means.


You're free to not like my criticism.

 

You probably only played the original pokemon.  The new Pokemon add a lot more than just a different plot and new pokemon.  There are plenty of new mechanics.  The fact that you don't know that means you are not entitled to have an opinion on this that anyone should listen to.

The original pokemon is the best in my opinion. NEw mechanics just makes the game more accessible. Doesn't change anything else.

 

I never said that.  HOWEVER, you are telling Nintendo to stop making them.  Who would do that?  I also do NOT think they are mediocre.  There are objective matters that show they are not mediocre (on average at the least).  Also, you're trying to put this like it's Nintendo as a whole and only talk about 3 franchises that you clearly know little to nothing about.

Heh? I'm saying they should make new fresh things like X, and let Mario and friends retire peacefully. To much of the same is boring.

 

The matter of fact that you're NOT paying attention to is the fact that those are some of their biggest franchises.  The reason it looks like they care "too much" about them is because they are big sources of profit for them, so they will stand out more than their other titles.  HOWEVER, they definitely pay close attention to their other IPs as well.  However, you wouldn't really know anything about that given how you've been replying so far.

Those Mario franchises believe it or not, is selling less. Big numbers yes, but its dropping. Nintendo is to afraid to take risk which is probably one of the reasons why other publishers don't put their games on their system.

 

No you don't.  If you did, you would have made at least one informed post here, and I don't see any.

You cannot tell me what to like, and not like. Its fine if you think my taste in games is bad, but I also think yours is bad.

No it isn't.  It's normal to do it.  If the game is good, why does it matter whether or not it has them in it?  Also, Zelda is rarely used in that context anyway.  Characters are not everything.  They are only but a small medium within a game, and depending on the genre they may mean less or more.  This is why your opinion doesn't matter. 

 

For you the game is good. Not for me. I've had enough of Mario and friends. Just like how I've had enough of CoD, and EA sport games.







This thread just keeps getting better and better. Pass the popcorn.



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What do you find mediocre about them ?

I mean there's basically everyone against you (critical acclaim by both users and reviewers), so you need to explain your point of view, otherwise repeating "their games are mediocre" over and over is nothing more than trolling.



padib said:

Many WiiU owners disagree with you, those who actually own the system and understand the value of the games.

I have Art Academy studio and it's already a solid enough proof of concept, let alone the whole DS library which also made use of the same input. (That point can't be stressed enough) Then you have other games I haven't played but seen to use the gamepad extensively: Wii Play U, Nintendoland, pushmo and more I can't list (I'm not an expert).

So no, Nintendo isn't make bad decision over bad decision, they just aren't able to accomplish the right decision right now (lots of good new and fun fresh games for the U).

So you are hating them because they lack the resources to make a viable platform a reality until 3rd parties get it, and that's hating for the wrong reasons.

I think you'd wouldn't be surprised if I told you a few Nintendo fans on here (if not many) also find you quite obnoxious for constanctly hating on what many of us have first-hand experienced to be a console with many already great games that give them much more pleasure than the console you praise because it sells well yet has no games that please them.

I know that Nintendo fans like the console, that's not the point. Outside of that circle the console is completely unappealing to anyone. You don't like Nintendo games? Then you have almost zero reason to get a Wii U. That does not happen with the PS4 or X1, even if you don't care for either first party offerings there's still so much content from other parties releasing on those systems that they appeal to a much wider audience of gamers, that is why they actually should sell better than the Wii U imo.

What is that bolded sentence supposed to mean? They aren't able to accomplish the right decision? Is this kindergarten or multi billion dollar business? Am I supposed to pity them and pat them on the head until they "are able to accomplish the right decision"? Once they make a good game changing move regarding the Wii U, then I'll definitely point that out, until then I'll keep doing what I do.

Also don't make me laugh, with Nintendo lacking the resources to make a viable platform. Nintendo has the resources, they were just too knuckleheaded to use them, there was literally nothing stopping them from building a system and really getting third parties on board from the start.

And I partly praise the PS4 because it sells well, so? I'm interested in the sales site of gaming, I enjoy it when a well executed system with a great marketing campaign does well and that's why I like the PS4s sales. As soon as Nintendo manages to come out with a new system that fixes the flaws of the Wii U, I'll praise them as well and hope it sells well.



Barozi said:
What do you find mediocre about them ?

I mean there's basically everyone against you (critical acclaim by both users and reviewers), so you need to explain your point of view, otherwise repeating "their games are mediocre" over and over is nothing more than trolling.


I made my criticism 100% clear in the OP about why. I wont change my wording If they keep asking.

To many of the samething gets boring. Again this is what I think.

Does this answer your question?



Millions of people like a game you don't like and you assume they're ALL overrating it. That's apparently fine, despite it basically being you saying your opinion is more valid than millions of people.

Someone says that you must not have played the games based on your statements. That's apparently awful, despite the fact that you're dismissing the opinions of millions because you don't like the games, and saying some objectively wrong things (no, it's not the exact same games each time, and they have much more than Mario and Zelda.)

This thread just went from hilarious to dumb super fast.



deskpro2k3 said:

edit. Zelda***

1. They keep making mediocre games.

Debatable, I think every company makes some mediocre games

2. I played Mario games since I was 8 years old.  Fast forward 20 years later,  they're still making Mario games. Princess Peach.. that bitch keep getting kidnapped.

Also when I say Mario games, that includes games with Mario in it.

Mario is more of mascot then a actual character with personality, hence it doesn't really bother me a good game is a good game.

3. Yes, they continue to copy their own mediocre games after copies after copies, so many copies.  Pokemon red, blue, ruby, yellow, gold, silver, X, Y, Crystal, green, pearl, emerald, black and white, Black and White 2..(there is more) from 1996 to present. I was happy with just 150 Pokemon.

I agree to a point, Pokemon Games as single enties are more or less fun, but the changes between iterations are mudane/superficial so unless your a collector, I wouldn't buy all of them.

4. The series of Supersmash Bro is mediocre just like Mario Kart. The Motor Bike chase in FFVII is better, Power Stone, Chocobo Racing, Marval Vs Capcom, Capcom Vs SNK, Crash team racing is all better.

I disagree partly, as a series sure its highly rated, possibly overrated, but Melee is a technical masterpiece, and no other fighting game is like it. You'd have to explain like the game or at least the Series at large, the competitve scene for Melee has become quite large for a "party game". If you don't like a series as a whole thats fine, but Melee is better than a lot of fighting games, the concept of building combos by chaining attacks rather than simply inputting commands is something fighting games should strive for.

5. Zelda, Pokemon, and Mario is over rated. They need to retire already.

They print money.

6. Let me tell you what Nintendo cares about. They care about their own IPs. They make their system for their IPs. They don't really care about anything else because they know pokemon, zelda, and mario is all they need.

More or less true.

7. When I look at Mario games, kart, smash, pokemon etc. I see nothing new.

You can't just generalize, and expect people to explain, your talking about entire franchise groups here with the exception of smash which is a single franchise

8. If Nintendo is going to make a new RPG game, then I hope they leave Mario out of it. Anything with Mario or Zelda is a turn off.

That's more of Sony's MO
I don't hate Nintendo, I just don't like all the coping, and over rated games they keep printing. Those games show me nothing that compels me to buy it. Its like once I've played one, I've played them all, just like the CoD franchise, and I'm done with that series too.

What Nintendo needs to do is make more new fresh games like Xenoblade Chronicles X. Now this game.. This is a game I want.

discuss..

You need to explain your opinion if you want to be taken more seriously. The brunt of your complaints, seem to be generalizations and misconceptions out of ignorance. You claim many series are mediocre or overrated without explaining why you believe them to be so as if you don't recognize that this your opinion. You need to clarify what you don't like about these series, what you don't like about the copying, and why you feel these franchises are overrated.



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