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Kaizar said:

The 3DS hasn't had a price cut in 3 years. So that is to blame.

Obviously the 3DS & 3DS XL will get a price cut this Holiday, especially with the current sales it's been having this year.

We saw an $80 price cut for an loss, but now it will get a $50 to $70 at a profit. The 3DS XL was already at a profit, and will continue to be so with a $50 price cut.

Monster Hunter 4 is the exclusive that will force some Home Console gamers to buy a Handheld System, specifically the 3DS or 3DS XL.

Theres also many other titles coming like; Shantee & those 2 exclusives from Mega Man creator, & Rodea the Sky Soldier & Professor Layton VS. Phoenix Wright & Super Smash Bros. on Handheld with 2D sprite looking graphics if you play with the 3D OFF. There are other system sellers this year as well.

Long story short, the 3DS & 3DS XL have being selling decent despite poor sales, which is why there's no deals for the 3DS & 3DS XL, even though you can find deals for the 2DS which is only being sold $30 below suggested retail price for the same reason why anything would be sold much below suggested retail price, which is because they can't sell any of them off of their selves, and had to cut the price to finally sell them at all, so they can finally get rid of their very olde recieved shipment of 2DS's.

Im curious to see just how bad the 2DS will continue to sell. I'm guessing Nintendo had already lowered their forecast of 2DS sells, since the 2DS has been doing soo much more worse in sells then Nintendo's own expectations, which wasn't much, since they didn't release the 2DS in that many countries.


people dont care enough about MH in the west for it to really make a difference



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hunter_alien said:
oniyide said:
OT lets be real handheld are becoming less important in the west. Doesnt help that nothing of significance has released here, doesnt mean you cant still enjoy it. I know i am.


I think that is kind-off a two sided issue. If there would be quality western game support for them, I doubt that handhelds wouldent sell. Handhelds where way to reliant on Japanese software for the last decade, and untill some massive western, handheld IPs come around, I doubt the sittuation will change. Never the less, I doubt that they wil ceese to exist. They will only have lower sales, but probably higher sw attach rates.


Last decade? Handhelds have ALWAYS been reliant on Japanese software. Fact is Western devs never really gave a damn long before smartphones and tablets were a thing. If western devs didnt really care when Handhelds were at there peak they surely will not care now. They wont go away, Japan alone will keep them afloat since they seem to be only region to really care. But i wouldnt be surprised in the future they dont leave Japan



oniyide said:
Kaizar said:

The 3DS hasn't had a price cut in 3 years. So that is to blame.

Obviously the 3DS & 3DS XL will get a price cut this Holiday, especially with the current sales it's been having this year.

We saw an $80 price cut for an loss, but now it will get a $50 to $70 at a profit. The 3DS XL was already at a profit, and will continue to be so with a $50 price cut.

Monster Hunter 4 is the exclusive that will force some Home Console gamers to buy a Handheld System, specifically the 3DS or 3DS XL.

Theres also many other titles coming like; Shantee & those 2 exclusives from Mega Man creator, & Rodea the Sky Soldier & Professor Layton VS. Phoenix Wright & Super Smash Bros. on Handheld with 2D sprite looking graphics if you play with the 3D OFF. There are other system sellers this year as well.

Long story short, the 3DS & 3DS XL have being selling decent despite poor sales, which is why there's no deals for the 3DS & 3DS XL, even though you can find deals for the 2DS which is only being sold $30 below suggested retail price for the same reason why anything would be sold much below suggested retail price, which is because they can't sell any of them off of their selves, and had to cut the price to finally sell them at all, so they can finally get rid of their very olde recieved shipment of 2DS's.

Im curious to see just how bad the 2DS will continue to sell. I'm guessing Nintendo had already lowered their forecast of 2DS sells, since the 2DS has been doing soo much more worse in sells then Nintendo's own expectations, which wasn't much, since they didn't release the 2DS in that many countries.


people dont care enough about MH in the west for it to really make a difference

I know about Monster Hunter 4, but I figure at least 1 million 3DS & 3DS XLs will be sold outside of Japan for Monster Hunter 4. I can see Monster Hunter 4 software maybe selling 2 million in the west. I can't see people buying a 2DS to play the exclusive known as "Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate", which is the Definitive Version of the 3DS Japanese exclusive Monster Hunter 4.



Kaizar said:
oniyide said:
Kaizar said:

The 3DS hasn't had a price cut in 3 years. So that is to blame.

Obviously the 3DS & 3DS XL will get a price cut this Holiday, especially with the current sales it's been having this year.

We saw an $80 price cut for an loss, but now it will get a $50 to $70 at a profit. The 3DS XL was already at a profit, and will continue to be so with a $50 price cut.

Monster Hunter 4 is the exclusive that will force some Home Console gamers to buy a Handheld System, specifically the 3DS or 3DS XL.

Theres also many other titles coming like; Shantee & those 2 exclusives from Mega Man creator, & Rodea the Sky Soldier & Professor Layton VS. Phoenix Wright & Super Smash Bros. on Handheld with 2D sprite looking graphics if you play with the 3D OFF. There are other system sellers this year as well.

Long story short, the 3DS & 3DS XL have being selling decent despite poor sales, which is why there's no deals for the 3DS & 3DS XL, even though you can find deals for the 2DS which is only being sold $30 below suggested retail price for the same reason why anything would be sold much below suggested retail price, which is because they can't sell any of them off of their selves, and had to cut the price to finally sell them at all, so they can finally get rid of their very olde recieved shipment of 2DS's.

Im curious to see just how bad the 2DS will continue to sell. I'm guessing Nintendo had already lowered their forecast of 2DS sells, since the 2DS has been doing soo much more worse in sells then Nintendo's own expectations, which wasn't much, since they didn't release the 2DS in that many countries.


people dont care enough about MH in the west for it to really make a difference

I know about Monster Hunter 4, but I figure at least 1 million 3DS & 3DS XLs will be sold outside of Japan for Monster Hunter 4. I can see Monster Hunter 4 software maybe selling 2 million in the west. I can't see people buying a 2DS to play the exclusive known as "Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate", which is the Definitive Version of the 3DS Japanese exclusive Monster Hunter 4.

hmmm maybe. I wouldnt be surprised if it doenst move that much systems. I mean people really interested in that game i imagine alot of them already have the system. 



oniyide said:
hunter_alien said:
oniyide said:
OT lets be real handheld are becoming less important in the west. Doesnt help that nothing of significance has released here, doesnt mean you cant still enjoy it. I know i am.


I think that is kind-off a two sided issue. If there would be quality western game support for them, I doubt that handhelds wouldent sell. Handhelds where way to reliant on Japanese software for the last decade, and untill some massive western, handheld IPs come around, I doubt the sittuation will change. Never the less, I doubt that they wil ceese to exist. They will only have lower sales, but probably higher sw attach rates.


Last decade? Handhelds have ALWAYS been reliant on Japanese software. Fact is Western devs never really gave a damn long before smartphones and tablets were a thing. If western devs didnt really care when Handhelds were at there peak they surely will not care now. They wont go away, Japan alone will keep them afloat since they seem to be only region to really care. But i wouldnt be surprised in the future they dont leave Japan


There are some Western Developers that make exclusives for 3DS, unlike previous Generations.

But yeah, most Western Devs just care about HD Video Game Systems. The only type of Western Exclusives I ever seem to see on the 3DS would be games like Gunman Clive 2 & Mutant Mudds 2 & the App; Colors! 3D & Spy Hunter & Batman Arkham Origins 2 &.....well, you get the idea of what kind of Western Exclusives the 3DS gets.



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oniyide said:
hunter_alien said:
oniyide said:
OT lets be real handheld are becoming less important in the west. Doesnt help that nothing of significance has released here, doesnt mean you cant still enjoy it. I know i am.


I think that is kind-off a two sided issue. If there would be quality western game support for them, I doubt that handhelds wouldent sell. Handhelds where way to reliant on Japanese software for the last decade, and untill some massive western, handheld IPs come around, I doubt the sittuation will change. Never the less, I doubt that they wil ceese to exist. They will only have lower sales, but probably higher sw attach rates.


Last decade? Handhelds have ALWAYS been reliant on Japanese software. Fact is Western devs never really gave a damn long before smartphones and tablets were a thing. If western devs didnt really care when Handhelds were at there peak they surely will not care now. They wont go away, Japan alone will keep them afloat since they seem to be only region to really care. But i wouldnt be surprised in the future they dont leave Japan


They cared, they just trew licensed games on them, that sold like hotcakes. Ubisoft considered the DS their main platform for almost half a decade. They where the smartphones of the previous generation. They where reliable from a financial point of view because software sales used to be solid and development cost used to be low. Now software sales are good (in a best case scenario) and dev costs blew out of proportion.



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spurgeonryan said:
I bought Spy Hunter 3D. I hope that helps. But sadly it was being sold at Big Lots. Which sells new stuff at discounted prices. I knew we were in trouble when MGS did poorly. Whether it was the tenth remake or not.


I got Spy Hunter on my 3DS within 48 hours of release. Fun game. It really is a very video game experience 3DS style. I like the ways they use the Touch Screen & Motion control.



Kaizar said:
oniyide said:
hunter_alien said:
oniyide said:
OT lets be real handheld are becoming less important in the west. Doesnt help that nothing of significance has released here, doesnt mean you cant still enjoy it. I know i am.


I think that is kind-off a two sided issue. If there would be quality western game support for them, I doubt that handhelds wouldent sell. Handhelds where way to reliant on Japanese software for the last decade, and untill some massive western, handheld IPs come around, I doubt the sittuation will change. Never the less, I doubt that they wil ceese to exist. They will only have lower sales, but probably higher sw attach rates.


Last decade? Handhelds have ALWAYS been reliant on Japanese software. Fact is Western devs never really gave a damn long before smartphones and tablets were a thing. If western devs didnt really care when Handhelds were at there peak they surely will not care now. They wont go away, Japan alone will keep them afloat since they seem to be only region to really care. But i wouldnt be surprised in the future they dont leave Japan


There are some Western Developers that make exclusives for 3DS, unlike previous Generations.

But yeah, most Western Devs just care about HD Video Game Systems. The only type of Western Exclusives I ever seem to see on the 3DS would be games like Gunman Clive 2 & Mutant Mudds 2 & the App; Colors! 3D & Spy Hunter & Batman Arkham Origins 2 &.....well, you get the idea of what kind of Western Exclusives the 3DS gets.


but thats kind of my point. most of those games you listed arent doing crap for the system. They dont sell much and they definitely arent moving systems. Alot of indies, those are the types of games that people will and do play on their phones or tablets for much cheaper. Spy Hunter bombed. Arkham bombed hard on 3ds im surprised the Vita version sold better.



hunter_alien said:
oniyide said:
hunter_alien said:
oniyide said:
OT lets be real handheld are becoming less important in the west. Doesnt help that nothing of significance has released here, doesnt mean you cant still enjoy it. I know i am.


I think that is kind-off a two sided issue. If there would be quality western game support for them, I doubt that handhelds wouldent sell. Handhelds where way to reliant on Japanese software for the last decade, and untill some massive western, handheld IPs come around, I doubt the sittuation will change. Never the less, I doubt that they wil ceese to exist. They will only have lower sales, but probably higher sw attach rates.


Last decade? Handhelds have ALWAYS been reliant on Japanese software. Fact is Western devs never really gave a damn long before smartphones and tablets were a thing. If western devs didnt really care when Handhelds were at there peak they surely will not care now. They wont go away, Japan alone will keep them afloat since they seem to be only region to really care. But i wouldnt be surprised in the future they dont leave Japan


They cared, they just trew licensed games on them, that sold like hotcakes. Ubisoft considered the DS their main platform for almost half a decade. They where the smartphones of the previous generation. They where reliable from a financial point of view because software sales used to be solid and development cost used to be low. Now software sales are good (in a best case scenario) and dev costs blew out of proportion.

DS was their main platform? according to who? what games did they put on the DS that was noticable? Even if that were true that is one publisher out of the few. DS just had such a large install base that everybody was putting stuff on them. 3ds isnt doing as well and wont have it as big. Hell what western published games did really well on DS? The only thing that comes to mind is stuff like Cooking Mama but the days of those selling well on dedicated handhelds are long gone and they arent coming back.



oniyide said:
hunter_alien said:
oniyide said:
hunter_alien said:
oniyide said:
OT lets be real handheld are becoming less important in the west. Doesnt help that nothing of significance has released here, doesnt mean you cant still enjoy it. I know i am.


I think that is kind-off a two sided issue. If there would be quality western game support for them, I doubt that handhelds wouldent sell. Handhelds where way to reliant on Japanese software for the last decade, and untill some massive western, handheld IPs come around, I doubt the sittuation will change. Never the less, I doubt that they wil ceese to exist. They will only have lower sales, but probably higher sw attach rates.


Last decade? Handhelds have ALWAYS been reliant on Japanese software. Fact is Western devs never really gave a damn long before smartphones and tablets were a thing. If western devs didnt really care when Handhelds were at there peak they surely will not care now. They wont go away, Japan alone will keep them afloat since they seem to be only region to really care. But i wouldnt be surprised in the future they dont leave Japan


They cared, they just trew licensed games on them, that sold like hotcakes. Ubisoft considered the DS their main platform for almost half a decade. They where the smartphones of the previous generation. They where reliable from a financial point of view because software sales used to be solid and development cost used to be low. Now software sales are good (in a best case scenario) and dev costs blew out of proportion.

DS was their main platform? according to who? what games did they put on the DS that was noticable? Even if that were true that is one publisher out of the few. DS just had such a large install base that everybody was putting stuff on them. 3ds isnt doing as well and wont have it as big. Hell what western published games did really well on DS? The only thing that comes to mind is stuff like Cooking Mama but the days of those selling well on dedicated handhelds are long gone and they arent coming back.

According to their financial statements? Remember the "Imagine" craze? They made massive profits off it, regardles of the software quality. And shovelware used to push systems, buyt it fails so these days, because they pretty much only appear on smart devices.

Just something to chew on:

http://www.gonintendo.com/s/31598-ubisoft-reports-2007-08-third-quarter-sales-casual-game-success-more-casual-titles-coming

ANd then came the drop:

http://www.pocketgamer.co.uk/r/DS/Ubisoft+news/news.asp?c=14619

 

Western developers did support handhelds, they just simply moved on to the new gold craze, smart devices.



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