it didnt take off cause the technology sucked. Thats what happens. Hell i would argue it barely worked in even some of those minigame compilations (looking at you wiisports boxing) sure they released stuff later that worked better but those should have been at the forefront.

I think the problem is those blue ocean gamers never really cared about gaming. Ninty got alot of flack for not making those guys migrate to other types of games. But that was always a dumb thought. Your aunty who got WIi for WIiSPorts the soccer mom for WiiFit was never interested in anything but those games, and they were never going to migrate. Just get bored and move on.

I agree .... Nintendo/Sony/MS all really tried to make motion games that went beyond the basic formula of games tied to simple movements that people understood in their reality ... bowling, baseball, skiing, jogging, dancing, steering a wheel ... but those other types of games weren't as successful. 

When motion sports was asked to push gamers into more traditional gaming spheres like "hey you're a bounty hunter with a canon arm" ... there was a disconnect with a large part of the Wii and Kinect (and Move) audiences .... they didn't like those types of games that had more esoteric or fantasy based scenarios, in a way there very little wiggle room for Nintendo to make new games using this tech. Even Wii Music I think was too far out there ... most people have never played violin or something so it didn't translate. 

Motion gaming is limited too in the sense that the first time you play Wii Sports for example, you don't notice all the flaws in the control, yes like your boxing example, it's just funny to play because odds are you were playing against "Uncle Frank who never plays video games before, oh man isn't it hillarious that he's boxing!" type thing. 

But when you got to play the games for a while longer, you'd start to notice that the Wiimote (even with WM+) for example couldn't actually detect depth and really your movements were just gesture based. And you can't replicate things like sword fighting all that doesn't work well, because obviously you need to have some kind of force feedback that stops your movement when you clash up against another person's sword. Stuff like that would just be impossible. 

Motion gaming was more limited than people think, pretty much most of the big hit games were a very narrow style of game (as I stated above). 

Kinect 2.0 is actually pretty impressive tech, the amount of information it can pick up is fairly impressive, it's a far better product than Kinect 1 which was successful, but people just got tired of motion gaming a while ago. There will always been lag/problems with motion detection and even if there wasn't they can't get the feedback aspect of doing many physical acitivities to translate so after a while it will always feel like you're just making mime movements. 

Those games aren't made for other systems. If I asked you to tell me about those games, you would point to digital-only titles; and that's missing the point, because it's not the same thing. There's a clear difference between premium treatment and shoving such games into the digital-only space (which tells the consumer that these are lesser games and people who like that type of game are lesser gamers). A large part of the Wii's success can be attributed to giving such "lesser games" the premium treatment; and in turn, that's the reason why hardcore gamers hated the Wii so much; because Nintendo didn't treat the people who liked those "lesser games" like scum. Given how narrow the focus of the video game industry has become (nowadays virtually all big budget games are either M-rated, sports or racing games), there are plenty of opportunities to tap unaddressed demand. Nintendo doesn't even have to come up with anything special, because daring to make retail releases such as the ones I mentioned in the previous post is already something special in and of itself.

Take NSMB Wii, for example. It received a lot of hate, there were a lot of comments that a straight-forward 2D platformer should not see a retail release in this day and age anymore. The market response proved Nintendo right, the market wants to see 2D Mario being given premium treatment as a full retail release; and this in turn is why the Wii U itself and all the Wii stuff on it fails: Because Nintendo prioritized other things. The Gamepad is not an evolution of the Wiimote, the Wii-like games were made with minimal effort or entirely butchered like the Wii Sports IP. So the market response was that Nintendo is now a lesser game maker, the same response the Nintendo 64 and GameCube received when Nintendo couldn't be bothered to make a 2D Mario game at all. Or the lukewarm response that Yoshi's Island received on the SNES despite being called Super Mario World 2. The market saw the game for what it was and that was not a 2D Mario sequel.

As for Kinect 2.0, it was destined to flop because the first Kinect shared the same limitations as Sony's EyeToy (I already said that previously in this thread). There's no substance to such devices, because minigame compilations, dancing and fitness games are the only ones that can be done in a sufficiently good manner. Compare that to the versatility of the Wii and the difference is really night and day. So to make it clear: Kinect 2.0 didn't have an impact because Kinect sucks due its severe limitations.

oh no i notice almost idmediately that it wasnt accurate. Honestly it really took me out of a lot of games. Nothing is more frustrating than losing because the game couldnt pick up your movements. Not my idea of fun. IMHO motion should never have been pushed to the forefront not in the half ass way it worked anyway. Im gonna sound like a Sony fanboy but i dont care i think they did it the best. THey sold the worst but from a gamer perspective i dont care. It got decent support and it was compatible with games i would play anyway. Your Infamouses, Killzones, Bioshocks, Heavy Rains, etc. And if someone wanted some shovelware it was their too. It was an option which is what it should have always been IMO. Kinect reminded me of Sega CD and 32x it was almost like a half assed add on with its own library of games. most which could only be dance or shovelware nothing else coudl work. Sure they slapped better with Kinect on some regular games but no one was fooled. They didnt do anything with Kinect 2.0 thats on them. another Kinect sports wasnt going ot do anythign this was the time to really show the value to the core gamer IMO.

Why is it when Nintendo " chooses" to limit something like voice chat or even online multiplayer altogether it s ok because it is a "choice", however if a 3rd party chooses not to include any aspect of an online part of a game then they are sorry lazy cons that have it out forNintendo?

Additionally, how do you or anyone know Nintendo s game style decision is truly what they say and not do to something else like they don t have the capability or perhaps they do but they don t want to spend the time or money or some other reason? 

Cloud technology is little more than a few servers and a smooth gateway. I could create an entire cloud environment in less than 2 weeks, faster if I had money to burn, which Nintendo has.

This is where you are wrong.  The entire point of my thread is pointing out that this kind of infrasructure is not an easy thing to throw up overnight.

As for online: I'm prety sure Modern Warfare was 8 vs 8, which was on the Wii, whcih means it supported 16 simultaneous players online.

Nope it was 10 players with incredible lag.

In essence, all 3 companies are in trouble. We've hit a glass wall with HD resolutions. Networks are getting bogged down with video and audio streaming, so until the infrastructure gets better, the networks can't improve.

Good thing Sony and Microsoft both own entire cloud companies then.  Also I don't know what this "Bogged down" thing is.  I haven't any issues whatsoever...

It almost benefits Sony and MS to offer services like Steam instead of creating new hardware in the future,whereas Nintendo is a hardware company, and will always have a physical system, as they have been heard saying.

Again this is my point.  Eventually the only physical consoles left will be PC's that are too powerful to stream, and Nintendo stuck in the Dark Ages while MS/Sony cash in on their cloud tech.