Halo 2 was IRRELEVANT to your agument since the original point was about xbox and gamecube being failures. 

It's a FACT that xbox was a failure and NO GAME will redeem it as such in that light. 

It was a failure in your neck of the woods in the UK but in the US it was pretty popular and Halo 2 was huge.  Plus if you look at the attachment ratio Halo 2 is still more relevant than any other game that is out now and it would have sold even more if it wasn't also released on the PC so deal with that.

Halo 2 has one of the highest metascores for a console exclusive so what is your point exactly. 

It's almost like you can't even read my posts ... Alright I'm done with you. 

You keep talking about how the OG Xbox was a failure. On what grounds? Profit? It came late in a generation already dominated by its competitor, it was like PS3 vs 360 times 100. So its understandable why it would lose money, investments tend to actually have cost.

In EVERYTHING ... It was a failure market share wise AND profit wise. 

Ask yourself, if the OG Xbox was such a failure, why did every console since its release have a hdd and online networking? Dreamcast didn't make it standard neither did PS2.

The original xbox WAS a TOTAL FAILURE and no amount of damage controlling will change that. If you thought the Original Xbox made those a standard then your sadly mistaken because it was it's SUCCESSOR that showed tangible benefits. 

Contrary to popular belief, manfacturing in the console gaming realm is an investment, hence the loss leader model that drives it. Sales and quaterly profits, that is just the actualization and realization of return on investment. PS4 is selling on Price and Goodwill, both things that are results of last generation. So to call the Xbox and GameCube failures because their sales were dwarfed by the PS2 is ludicrous.

To say that gamecube and the original xbox were a success is insanity. The loss leader model didn't exactly win last generation when it was the WII who had won without resorting to selling at a loss. 

The GameCube was profitable, end of story.

Yet it only made nintendo chum change in the end so it was pretty much a failure in comparison to the N46 ...

The Xbox built the foundation upon which its succesors have profited.

You keep talking about how the OG Xbox was a failure. On what grounds? Profit? It came late in a generation already dominated by its competitor, it was like PS3 vs 360 times 100. So its understandable why it would lose money, investments tend to actually have cost.

Ask yourself, if the OG Xbox was such a failure, why did every console since its release have a hdd and online networking? Dreamcast didn't make it standard neither did PS2.

Contrary to popular belief, manfacturing in the console gaming realm is an investment, hence the loss leader model that drives it. Sales and quaterly profits, that is just the actualization and realization of return on investment. PS4 is selling on Price and Goodwill, both things that are results of last generation. So to call the Xbox and GameCube failures because their sales were dwarfed by the PS2 is ludicrous.

The GameCube was profitable, end of story.

The Xbox built the foundation upon which its succesors have profited.

Halo 2 was IRRELEVANT to your agument since the original point was about xbox and gamecube being failures. 

It's a FACT that xbox was a failure and NO GAME will redeem it as such in that light. 

Sure Halo 2 was irellevant even though its the highest selling game on the console and has the highest attachment ratio for that generation and came out less then a year before the console went out of production in August of 2005.  If Halo is so irrelvant I'm pretty sure every developer would like to release nothing but irrelvant games.