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Your original point is pointless calling Halo 2 irreleavant pretty much proofs that.



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Chris Hu said:

Your original point is pointless calling Halo 2 irreleavant pretty much proofs that.




fatslob-:O said:
Chris Hu said:

Your original point is pointless calling Halo 2 irreleavant pretty much proofs that.


You deserve one for failing to realize Halo 2 importance to gaming as a whole.



fatslob-:O said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

You keep talking about how the OG Xbox was a failure. On what grounds? Profit? It came late in a generation already dominated by its competitor, it was like PS3 vs 360 times 100. So its understandable why it would lose money, investments tend to actually have cost.

In EVERYTHING ... It was a failure market share wise AND profit wise. 

Ask yourself, if the OG Xbox was such a failure, why did every console since its release have a hdd and online networking? Dreamcast didn't make it standard neither did PS2.

The original xbox WAS a TOTAL FAILURE and no amount of damage controlling will change that. If you thought the Original Xbox made those a standard then your sadly mistaken because it was it's SUCCESSOR that showed tangible benefits. 

Contrary to popular belief, manfacturing in the console gaming realm is an investment, hence the loss leader model that drives it. Sales and quaterly profits, that is just the actualization and realization of return on investment. PS4 is selling on Price and Goodwill, both things that are results of last generation. So to call the Xbox and GameCube failures because their sales were dwarfed by the PS2 is ludicrous.

To say that gamecube and the original xbox were a success is insanity. The loss leader model didn't exactly win last generation when it was the WII who had won without resorting to selling at a loss. 

The GameCube was profitable, end of story.

Yet it only made nintendo chum change in the end so it was pretty much a failure in comparison to the N46 ...

The Xbox built the foundation upon which its succesors have profited.

An investment is not a failure if it doesn't produce immediate returns. The 360 introduced ads into XBL, turned standards such as hdds into accesories. If you want to talk about failures, the Dreamcast was a failure. The Xbox lost money but if it truly failed then why would Microsoft of all people release the Xbox 360, Hope? Without the Xbox, the Xbox 360 would've flopped hard, to ignore the effect of the gamecube or the xbox on the industry is to ignore reality. That is not total failure.

Last generation was a fluke, the effect of a fad that not only does not have a precesdent but has yet to be replicated. Its not just about profits and loses.

How much market share did the Xbox have before it released?

Do you realize the failure in your reasoning, suggesting that because it didn't meet your arbitrary standards it was a failure?

Perhaps you have insider information about Nintendo and Xbox, with statements from them suggesting such.



In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank

This Chris Hu is obviously a troll or a Fanboy.

In both cases your guys are not going to get him to agree or even to refute with logical evidence the idea that both Game Cube and Xbox are pretty close in any success meter. Despite their close HW sales, SW sales or even the fact that melee sold almost as much as Halo 2.

He will keep saying "Halo 2", so let's move on...



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vkaraujo said:
This Chris Hu is obviously a troll or a Fanboy.

In both cases your guys are not going to get him to agree or even to refute with logical evidence the idea that both Game Cube and Xbox are pretty close in any success meter. Despite their close HW sales, SW sales or even the fact that melee sold almost as much as Halo 2.

He will keep saying "Halo 2", so let's move on...


I'm neither but anyone failing to realize Halo 2's  significance pretty much is.  As for software sales the original XBox had a clear advantage and it also would have sold a lot more hardware if it wasn't forced to go out of production by NVIDIA.  Also Meele was a launch game Halo 2 came out less then a year before the X-Box was stopped being produced in August of 2005 on top of that it was also available on PC so it could have sold a lot more.



Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

An investment is not a failure if it doesn't produce immediate returns. The 360 introduced ads into XBL, turned standards such as hdds into accesories. If you want to talk about failures, the Dreamcast was a failure. The Xbox lost money but if it truly failed then why would Microsoft of all people release the Xbox 360, Hope? Without the Xbox, the Xbox 360 would've flopped hard, to ignore the effect of the gamecube or the xbox on the industry is to ignore reality. That is not total failure.

It did FAIL. Microsoft created the xbox 360 in HOPE of it achieving better results and they were partly lucky in that regard since Sony screwed up royally. Both the xbox and gamecube were irrelevant on it's affect to the industry. How can you claim that the original xbox ISN'T a failure when it was a loser in every aspect ? Both the original xbox and the gamecube had NO influence to the future. 

Last generation was a fluke, the effect of a fad that not only does not have a precesdent but has yet to be replicated. Its not just about profits and loses.

The fact that you claim the WII to be a fad must mean that you need to educate yourself on what that term means because you really don't what a fad is. 

How much market share did the Xbox have before it released?

How is this relevant ?

Do you realize the failure in your reasoning, suggesting that because it didn't meet your arbitrary standards it was a failure?

What arbritrary standards ?! It's a simple fact that both gamecube and original xbox were failures and there is nothing you or the stigmatized gaming community can do to change that. 

Perhaps you have insider information about Nintendo and Xbox, with statements from them suggesting such.



vkaraujo said:
This Chris Hu is obviously a troll or a Fanboy.

In both cases your guys are not going to get him to agree or even to refute with logical evidence the idea that both Game Cube and Xbox are pretty close in any success meter. Despite their close HW sales, SW sales or even the fact that melee sold almost as much as Halo 2.

He will keep saying "Halo 2", so let's move on...

I already did move on ... The fact that he couldn't counter that the original xbox was as big as a failure as gamecube just goes to show that he's pretty much locked up in denial about it and does nothing to address the point and instead goes on to make an unrelated argument about how halo 2 had a shit ton of importance to gaming. 



fatslob-:O said:
vkaraujo said:
This Chris Hu is obviously a troll or a Fanboy.

In both cases your guys are not going to get him to agree or even to refute with logical evidence the idea that both Game Cube and Xbox are pretty close in any success meter. Despite their close HW sales, SW sales or even the fact that melee sold almost as much as Halo 2.

He will keep saying "Halo 2", so let's move on...

I already did move on ... The fact that he couldn't counter that the original xbox was as big as a failure as gamecube just goes to show that he's pretty much locked up in denial about it and does nothing to address the point and instead goes on to make an unrelated argument about how halo 2 had a shit ton of importance to gaming. 

It did but your too young to realize it since you where still in elementary school when it got released and you live on the wrong side of the pond, probably in some small village where most things seem irrelavant.



Chris Hu said:

It did but your too young to realize it since you where still in elementary school when it got released and you live on the wrong side of the pond, probably in some small village where most things seem irrelavant.

WHAT IN THE HELL DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH THE ORIGINAL POINT ?