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What do you think about Nintendo's attitude?

Awful, they should fail i... 189 14.04%
 
Pretty Bad, they should l... 385 28.60%
 
Not bad, they're just as anybody else 188 13.97%
 
Good, we need more like them 389 28.90%
 
Excellent, they don't need to change one bit 173 12.85%
 
Total:1,324
Mnementh on 24 February 2014
Zod95 said:

1. Harming gamers

1.1. What Nintendo does with your dollar

It doesn’t take much time to search for graphics and tables on Google images about the profits of the big three and realize that Sony and Microsoft pick your dollar to spend on more games and consoles while Nintendo keeps much (if not most) of it.

1 dollar spent on Sony or Microsoft products means 1 dollar to feed hardware and software developers for the production of more and better games. 1 dollar spent on Nintendo products means a very significant part of it out of the videogaming industry. It’s interesting to realize that the only 100% gaming corporation making consoles nowadays is also the only one taking money away from the gaming cycle.

 

LOL. They made more money, because they produced games that appealed to many people. And that argument means, you should currently support Nintendo, because they are losing money currently. You should rethink that argument.



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51JBerger on 24 February 2014

I was able to read the whole thing. Too bad a lot of people have a short attention span. I'm a Nintendo fan, but Nintendo does need to get with the times and be more friendly towrds 3rd party companies. Only the fanboys/fangirls would say that Nintendo does not need to change, but Nintendo does need to change to stay relevant in the video game industry.



Zod95 on 24 February 2014
noname2200 said:

Apologies for this, as the rest of your post may be the most brilliant analysis in the history of internet forums, but I got this far and stopped, as I presume you led with one of your strongest points.

The above is laughably absurd. "Nintendo makes a bigger profit, therefore they must be milking the consumer!" is an accurate summary of the above argument, with no analysis provided to back it. The company wasn't profitable because it provided a cost-effective product which people were willing and able to pay money for, it's profitable because Nintendo is evil enough to turn a profit rather than subsidize unprofitable gaming consoles on the assumption that they can get enough money back later in royalties to make up for it. Moreover, the international corporations known as Microsoft and Sony run such obscene losses not due to incompetence or poor business decisions, but rather because they care about us, the gamers. I know that's true because Kevin Butler told me so.

I'm willing to wager that this whole thread is an elaborate joke, in which case I tip my hat to you sir. Now if you'll excuse me, I have a check to write to Microsoft: gotta pay off my debts, after all!

That's a misunderstanding of what the OP says. The OP only talks about numbers and therefore "assumes" that all companies are equal in cost-effective efforts, which may actually not be true once I guess big companies like Sony and Microsoft have a more professional structure and are more experienced at getting the same for less. I find it hard to believe that Nintendo would be more cost-effective than them. But the point is that the 1.1 section does not specify the reasons of such numbers, it's just a "cash-flow" analysis. And that's why it is the first section. The others go into more specific details in order to try to understand what happens to the money.

Regarding the "debts", like I said before, there's a very good reason why I put them within "". I think it's not hard to understand that.



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zippy on 24 February 2014

Nintendo are awful to gamers, how dare they release high quality software with an insane amount of polish, and innovative game play. Those 3rd party saints must love thy fellow gamer by releasing buggy unfinished games that require patching (or not at all in some cases) or those 3rd parties that charge a fortune for a roster change on a yearly updated sports game. How dare Nintendo make high quality hardware that is built to last, with very low failure rates. To give back to the gamer your console must overheat and have to be sent in for repair at least 2 or 3 times.
Whats with all this free online malarky as well? to give back to the gamers you must charge yearly online fees on top the extortionate costs of a console and its games, and how dare you make your hardware more affordable.

Yep Nintendo are evil and have given nothing back to the gamer.



noname2200 on 24 February 2014
mike_intellivision said:
If I am reading it correctly, someone is trying to channel their internal RolStoppable.

Rol knows that brevity is the soul of wit, though.

RolStoppable said:

 By the way, I died on the first Goomba.

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osed125 on 24 February 2014
RolStoppable said:

I died on the first Goomba.

You must suck at 2D platformers. Your DKC: TF time attacks are invalid now.



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Zod95 on 24 February 2014
DarkD said:
Zod95 said:
DarkD said:
TLDR most of it, glossed over some of it.

He's basically claiming Nintendo has been abusing the gaming industry to make absurd profits at the cost of gamers and developers. It's mostly bullshit. He claims that because Nintendo has a profit margin unlike Sony and Microsoft that they should be ostracized from the gaming industry. Sony would be making money too if their games sold more than a couple million...

Nintendo is the only one who is actually trying to come up with a way of making money off of home consoles in the future. The other two know damn well this will probably be the last generation that this graphics model will work. Why do you think everyone was so convinced DRM was gonna be standard for all the consoles this generation.

Nintendo was really bad in the NES and SNES eras, that's true, but that's how the playstation came into power. Say what you want about Nintendo 20 years ago, but right now Sony and Microsoft are bankrupting developers left and right.

bolded: wrong, I've never claimed such a thing and Nintendo is not the best prepared for the future among the 3 console makers.

underlined: how can you claim such a thing?

You wanna see the big list of bankrupted devs last gen.  It's at something like 50.  Not to mention the ones like David Jaffe who went Free to play and Irrational who went indie.

http://ca.ign.com/articles/2012/12/11/20-studios-we-lost-in-2012

Theres a list of 20 for 2012, who went were disolved into other groups because their games didn't make a profit anymore in todays development environment.  Or various other reasons which can all be traced to massive development costs that are skewering the variety of games that developers can make money off of.

But how are Sony and Microsoft bankrupting those developers? That's what I would like to understand. Do they force them to produce AAA titles? Aren't PlayStation and Xbox consoles free platforms where anybody can produce any game, from indie to AAA?

 

DarkD said:

And how is my statement wrong.  Nintendo is trying to make console development about the depth of gameplay instead of the pixel count in graphics.  You know how much the most expensive games costs these days?  GTAV is the number 1 at 265 million dollars.  Can you imagine if that failed?  If suddenly people just said "I'm tired of GTA".  There are less people who play games on a home console than there were 10 years ago, and our development costs have gone through the roof, how is this not evidence that graphics don't work. 

Nintendo has just confirmed with Wii U that they are not willing to evolve anymore. Game Cube was a console with a quite decent 3rd party support. Wii was very poor, AAA titles avoided it while puzzle, dance and fitness embraced the system. Wii U is even worse. Not only they aren't getting the same casual presence from 3rd parties but also the AAA titles are avoiding it even more than they did with the Wii (for example, I don't remember any dev saying that Wii wasn't capable of receiving PS2 ports, but I see that now with Wii U and PS3). Also, the way they deal with partners shows they continue to be amateurs. If things continue like this, I guess the next Nintendo console will only get first party support. Is that your idea of a viable future?

On the other hand, we see Microsoft already well established, with unquestinable 3rd party support (they don't need to convince anyone anymore) and finally innovating in order to deliver something unique (after Kinect, which is only an enhanced Eye Toy, they are about to come with Ilumni Room). Sony is more than established, on both AAA and indie games, always seeking for innovation and dominating again. They are even challenging the borders of the console business by initiating PlayStation Now, which can really become the future of the videogaming business. In my opinion, Sony is the most prepared for the future. They don't fear it, they welcome it.



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Zod95 on 24 February 2014
theARTIST0017 said:
Zod95 said:
Mr Khan said:
Most of it digs up rather ancient history.

As for the rest, Nintendo could certainly afford to be more ambitious (mostly in terms of talent acquisition), but not in the way you describe. Nintendo's gotta keep what makes them unique.

You can't say that. None of us have any idea of what Nintendo games would look like if Nintendo heavily invested on them.


you sir, have never seen the ending credits for a Nintendo game. go ahead, attack Nintendo, but make sure you attack the other first party console devs who have more in house 1st and 2nd party game devs than Nintendo...oncev they come into existence that is...

If Nintendo has more billions and less game studios I should criticize the other side?



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Zod95 on 24 February 2014
cannonballZ said:

So, the point of this article is to enlighten gamers to....????? I'm not sure.... You want to inform them of Nintendo's shortcomings or what you perceive to be harmful to the gaming community? So that they can then choose if they want to support Nintendo at all?

If so, fair enough. But to each his own. I read it and it changes nothing for me, they don't owe me anything and I don't owe them my loyalty. I buy Nintendo games because I like them, same reason I buy any other games. 

That's it. And your reaction is totally legitimate. Others may react differently regarding the conclusions they take. That is also fair.



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Zod95 on 24 February 2014
NintendoPie said:
2 was the closest you got to relaying things that were seemingly quite true, although don't necessarily take place in the Nintendo of today. They've clearly become more interested in Indies and third parties, especially since they don't have much

Some of them still apply to the Nintendo of today:

- 3rd party royalties

- non-standard tech

- lower power than competition

- inadequate documentation

- incompetent help support

 

NintendoPie said:
I applaud your effort, because that's quite a long and detailed read, but there is quite clearly glaring bias in some of this. Setting Sony or Microsoft ahead of Nintendo for certain acts that they have done is one of them. Big companies like these all have their own financial and "humane" (even that's a bit of a stretch) problems.

What "certain acts" are you talking about? Could you be more specific?



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