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I think its unfair to put all the pressure on Mario Kart/Smash Bros. That to me kinda implies that Nintendo could cancel every other upcoming Wii U game and literally just release these 2 games and Wii U will sell better. Thats dumb because most people buy a console for its library not just 1-2 games.

Its like if 360 only had GTA and COD, it would probably sell like shit. 360 sold well because it had a great overall library like Halo/Gears/Fable/Forza/GTA/COD/Ass Creed/Battlefield/Red Dead/Left 4 Dead/Elder Scrolls/Fallout/FIFA/Madden/Need for Speed/Batman/Splinter Cell/Force Unleashed/Far Cry/Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Saints Row/Ghost Recon/Kinect games/Guitar Hero/Rock Band and many more that im missing.

The way that Wii U is going to be saved(whatever that means) is get the manufacturing costs down so they can profit off it, continue releasing popular games and advertise them. Thats it, it doesnt matter how many units Wii U sells as long as they start selling it at a profit and its first party software has shown to be able to sell well even on a low install base. Take Gamecube for example, it sold just over 20 million and it still had strong first party software sales.

3D Mario, Smash Bros, Mario Kart each sold well over 5 million.

Zelda, Luigi's Mansion and Animal Crossing each sold 3-5 million

Metroid, Mario Party, Paper Mario all sold over 2 million

Pikmin, Star Fox Adventures/Assault, Kirby Air Ride, Donkey Konga/Jungle Beat, various Mario Sports games all sold over 1 million.

So basically Nintendos biggest challenge right now is getting the manufacturing costs down so they can sell it at a profit because the first party software will sell well regardless and we are already seeing that on Wii U with games like NSMBU, Luigi U, Wind Waker HD, Nintendo Land, Wii Party U, Pikmin all selling well on a 5.5 million install base.



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zorg1000 said:
I think its unfair to put all the pressure on Mario Kart/Smash Bros. That to me kinda implies that Nintendo could cancel every other upcoming Wii U game and literally just release these 2 games and Wii U will sell better. Thats dumb because most people buy a console for its library not just 1-2 games.

Its like if 360 only had GTA and COD, it would probably sell like shit. 360 sold well because it had a great overall library like Halo/Gears/Fable/Forza/GTA/COD/Ass Creed/Battlefield/Red Dead/Left 4 Dead/Elder Scrolls/Fallout/FIFA/Madden/Need for Speed/Batman/Splinter Cell/Force Unleashed/Far Cry/Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Saints Row/Ghost Recon/Kinect games/Guitar Hero/Rock Band and many more that im missing.

The way that Wii U is going to be saved(whatever that means) is get the manufacturing costs down so they can profit off it, continue releasing popular games and advertise them. Thats it, it doesnt matter how many units Wii U sells as long as they start selling it at a profit and its first party software has shown to be able to sell well even on a low install base. Take Gamecube for example, it sold just over 20 million and it still had strong first party software sales.

3D Mario, Smash Bros, Mario Kart each sold well over 5 million.

Zelda, Luigi's Mansion and Animal Crossing each sold 3-5 million

Metroid, Mario Party, Paper Mario all sold over 2 million

Pikmin, Star Fox Adventures/Assault, Kirby Air Ride, Donkey Konga/Jungle Beat, various Mario Sports games all sold over 1 million.

So basically Nintendos biggest challenge right now is getting the manufacturing costs down so they can sell it at a profit because the first party software will sell well regardless and we are already seeing that on Wii U with games like NSMBU, Luigi U, Wind Waker HD, Nintendo Land, Wii Party U, Pikmin all selling well on a 5.5 million install base.


Seems to me like Nintendo is kinda stuck with the Wii U price because of the expensive controller which they can't ditch because they've invested a lot behind the scenes into NFC development, and Nintendo can't go back on that now. 

If they could drop the controller they could probably bring the price down awfully fast or boost their profit margin very quickly. I fear though that Nintendo is getting to the point where they can't help themselves but to bank on every gimmick that comes their way, so internally they're probably hoping this NFC toy line takes off for them. 



Soundwave said:
zorg1000 said:
I think its unfair to put all the pressure on Mario Kart/Smash Bros. That to me kinda implies that Nintendo could cancel every other upcoming Wii U game and literally just release these 2 games and Wii U will sell better. Thats dumb because most people buy a console for its library not just 1-2 games.

Its like if 360 only had GTA and COD, it would probably sell like shit. 360 sold well because it had a great overall library like Halo/Gears/Fable/Forza/GTA/COD/Ass Creed/Battlefield/Red Dead/Left 4 Dead/Elder Scrolls/Fallout/FIFA/Madden/Need for Speed/Batman/Splinter Cell/Force Unleashed/Far Cry/Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Saints Row/Ghost Recon/Kinect games/Guitar Hero/Rock Band and many more that im missing.

The way that Wii U is going to be saved(whatever that means) is get the manufacturing costs down so they can profit off it, continue releasing popular games and advertise them. Thats it, it doesnt matter how many units Wii U sells as long as they start selling it at a profit and its first party software has shown to be able to sell well even on a low install base. Take Gamecube for example, it sold just over 20 million and it still had strong first party software sales.

3D Mario, Smash Bros, Mario Kart each sold well over 5 million.

Zelda, Luigi's Mansion and Animal Crossing each sold 3-5 million

Metroid, Mario Party, Paper Mario all sold over 2 million

Pikmin, Star Fox Adventures/Assault, Kirby Air Ride, Donkey Konga/Jungle Beat, various Mario Sports games all sold over 1 million.

So basically Nintendos biggest challenge right now is getting the manufacturing costs down so they can sell it at a profit because the first party software will sell well regardless and we are already seeing that on Wii U with games like NSMBU, Luigi U, Wind Waker HD, Nintendo Land, Wii Party U, Pikmin all selling well on a 5.5 million install base.


Seems to me like Nintendo is kinda stuck with the Wii U price because of the expensive controller which they can't ditch because they've invested a lot behind the scenes into NFC development, and Nintendo can't go back on that now. 

If they could drop the controller they could probably bring the price down awfully fast or boost their profit margin very quickly. I fear though that Nintendo is getting to the point where they can't help themselves but to bank on every gimmick that comes their way, so internally they're probably hoping this NFC toy line takes off for them. 

Well the thing is we have no idea how much they are losing on each unit sold and at what rate the manufacturing costs are coming down. For all we know, Wii U could be selling for $299 and making a profit in 6 months.



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Darkjolly said:
They won't. I expect the WiiU to reach 10 million LTD for the whole gen


That prediction doesnt really make sense. They have sold 5.6 million in just over a year so 4.4 million to go. It sold 3.2 million last year and is currently up YoY despite added competition from PS4/One and with its games slated for this year its likely to continue selling better than last year. Wii U could pass 10 milliom this year and even if it doesnt it will be close. Care to explain how it wont sell 10 million lifetime?



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I don't think Mario Kart 8 and Smash Bros will move 10-20m units directly, but have the potential to get things started in that direction.  Anyone who thinks those two games wont push many units (as in predicting less than 20m LTD) needs to look at the sales trends for these franchises.  In fact, Mario Kart 7 is still selling well and is on its way to selling 10m anytime now.

 

Here's the Mario Kart sales

1 Mario Kart Wii Wii 2008 Racing Nintendo 15.06 12.35 3.71 3.19 34.32
2 Mario Kart DS DS 2005 Racing Nintendo 9.55 7.28 4.12 1.87 22.82
3 Mario Kart 64 N64 1996 Racing Nintendo 5.55 1.94 2.23 0.15 9.87
4 Mario Kart 7 3DS 2011 Racing Nintendo 3.59 2.71 2.27 0.65 9.23
5 Super Mario Kart SNES 1992 Racing Nintendo 3.54 1.24 3.81 0.18 8.76
6 Mario Kart: Double Dash!! GC 2003 Racing Nintendo 4.12 1.77 0.87 0.19 6.95
7 Mario Kart: Super Circuit GBA 2001 Racing Nintendo 2.62 1.64 0.99 0.23 5.47

and now Smash Bros

PosGamePlatformYearGenrePublisherNorth AmericaEuropeJapanRest of WorldGlobal
1 Super Smash Bros. Brawl Wii 2008 Fighting Nintendo 6.19 2.35 2.56 0.94 12.04
2 Super Smash Bros. Melee GC 2001 Fighting Nintendo 4.41 1.04 1.39 0.22 7.07
3 Super Smash Bros. N64 1999 Fighting Nintendo 2.95 0.60 1.97 0.04 5.55

If we ignore the Wii and DS entries for these games, we still have a minimum of 5m software sold for each.  It is perfectly reasonable to think these titles alone can push 1m+ Wii U hardware each given Wii U's userbase is already so low to begin with (5m is pretty much how many Wii U's there are right now.  I doubt anyone here thinks it's possible to have a 100% attach rate, or even high 80's to 90's for LTD on these games).

These games itself don't show Wii U going to 20m units sold, but it will make the Wii U momentum pick up and, as more games are released, sales will stabalize at a higher rate (much more so than it is now).  The chances of this happening are extremely high.  Those who doubt are not being realistic, because the data here is pretty evident that these series have NOT shrunk.  They have only grown and is only natural to believe that it would do at least somewhere within the ranges shown.  


Anybody with a brain, and some degree of objectivity and reasoning ability, won't be saying the Wii U will be saved. Can the situation improve? Yes. Are Smash and Kart Nintendo's best bet of improving the situation? Yes. Does that mean the system will be saved by these games? No.

The Wii U is currently, by some distance, Nintendo's worst selling home console. If things continue as they are, it will sell 5 to 7 million fewer units than the GameCube. The situation is so dire it's difficult for Kart and Smash--two highly desirable games--not to improve the situation. They'll help the system push on track for somewhere in the 18 to 22 million range, sure, but that isn't saving the Wii U, and Nintendo will need more software and price cuts to keep up any momentum generated by these games.




xJustex said:

I'm pretty sure when people say save the Wii U they don't mean it'll suddenly sell 100 million consoles. They mean those games will keep it from dying and doing a dreamcast or vita. Which isn't unreasonable at all.

Oh no, don't dispell the picture regin_bolas try to paint, of completely unreasonable Nintendo-fans. Support his undertone, that being a fan of Nintendo is clearly something stupid.



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FATALITY said:

not gonna happen

What's not going to happen? Two large IP's bumping/helping Wii U sales?


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The wii u will put out more games and will sell alot better bottom line