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Max King of the Wild on 02 February 2014

have you done your research and realize that your last research was wrong and Wii U will not reach 1.7m this quarter?



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Mummelmann on 02 February 2014
eyeofcore said:
pezus said:
eyeofcore said:
pezus said:
Man, it's almost hard to believe how terrible 2013 was for WiiU. Only 7 weeks out of 52 over 100k. I wonder if it can top it this year

Agreed... I expect at least 10 weeks over 100K and why are you wondering about 2014 topping 2013? It will... Wii U has bunch of exclusives for 2014, you got Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, Mario Kart 8, Super Smash Bros U, Yarn Yoshi, Bayonetta 2, Monolith Soft's X, Hyrule Warriors, FAST Racing Neo... Some major third party games for 2014 like The LEGO Movie Video Game, LEGO: The Hobbit, Watch Dogs, Project CARS, The Amazing Spider-Man 2, Child Of Light...

It has now a well enstablished library with games like Zombi U, Wonderful 101, Pikmin 3, Super Mario 3D World, New Super Mario Bros U(+New Super Luigi U DLC), The Legend Of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD, Monster Hunter Tri Ultimate, LEGO City Undercover, Rayman Legends, Wii Party U, Sonic: Lost World, Assassin Creed IV: Black Flag, Call Of Duty: Ghost, Disney Infinity, Resident Evil Revelations...

Then you have backward compatibility with Wii software/library/games thus you can play classics like Super Mario Galaxy 1 and Super Mario Galaxy 2, Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition, Mad World, Okami, No More Heroes 1, No More Heroes 2, Xenoblade Chronicles, The Last Story, Pandora's Tower...

I meant I wonder if it can go 100k+ for more than 7 weeks this time. Donkey Kong won't do it, Yoshi won't do it, Bayonetta won't do it, X won't do it, Hyrule Warriors won't do it etc. Only games that could push it from 30k to 100k+ for a week or more are MK8 and Smash, I think. And Smash might launch just before the holidays, so in reality it could be only on MK8 to improve the number of weeks over 100k over last year.

There's no need to sell me on its library. I probably know more about its games than most people out there. Still doesn't change the fact that this year doesn't begin well.

Okay... It will go a few more weeks over 100K+ than last year...

How can you be sure Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze won't do it? I mean, you see in Week 2 and Week 3 of 2014 are considerably better than Week 2 and Week 3 in 2013 by a good margin thus if things continue to go for the better then DKCTF has a chance to make Wii U sales break 100K+ for one week... Yoshi could do it also do it depending on when its released... Don't underestimate Hyrule Warriors... Musou games are very popular in Japan and have presence in USA and Europe so it has a good chance for week or two to make it break 100K+... X won't do it? Don't make me laugh... It is like saying Final Fantasy/good JRPG game won't make PlayStation 4 go over 100/200K+ for one or two weeks.

What fact? Fact that this year indeed begun well while you try to damage control that fact? Are you ignoring the fact that Wii U sales improved vastly in Week 2 and 3 of 2014 compared to 2013 and that only Week 1 of 2014 was slightly worse than one of 2013 yet when we combine sales of those three weeks of 2013 and 2014 then we see that 2014 is ahead by almost 10% and that is a noticeable jump in sales.

Problem is that people like you are failing to see the value... I would take Wii U any day over PlayStation 4 because the value is just too good to be true.

I can get complete experience from Nintendo for just 300$ while I would need to spend 510$ on Sony or 620 on Microsoft route before having actual fun.


Perceived value is entirely subjective, he could just as easily say that the problem is that you don't see the lack of value in a Wii U and he would be subjectively entirely in the right to do so. Also; why do you need to spend 510$ or 620$ to have actual fun on PS4 and One? Granted; you need software and that costs money but the games that are bundled with a Wii U aren't everyone's favorite like yours, so they might have to go out and buy software as well. You don't have to pay for online either if that was one point. What does "complete experience" mean in this setting, anyway?

My point is; perceived value is subjective. For instance; in my subjective opinion, all three 8th gen consoles have very poor value right now and the same goes for the vast majority of the software on them, while a lot of people would tell me I'm being ridiculous for buying a 1800$ gaming PC and they would also be correct following the logic of subjective, perceived value.

What you're essentially doing is attempting to make others conform to your taste and imposing your preferences as a higher standard, this is a complete waste of energy when discussing movies, music and games; there are some objetive criteria on which to judge titles and releases but on the whole, you personal feelings towards a song, film or video game will dictate whether to make a purchase or not, and only very rarely will these objective criteria I mentioned be a factor.

Edit; you also appear to have severely moderated your expectations and predictions. Not saying that's a bad thing, just pointing out that it makes your tone and analysis based on "research" on the forums only a couple of months back rather silly in very near hindsight.



POE on 02 February 2014

Good thread, i hope you keep it updated.



Nintentacle on 02 February 2014

I already did this, eyeofcore.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=175921



niallyb on 02 February 2014

I have to believe that the soft "try before you buy" launches of Wii Sports U and Wii Fit U really hurt. Non owners didnt know about the games at all. Owners got to play for free until they were bored and probably wont buy the games now. I REALLY feel like they should have done this with unknown franchises and not taken such a risk on wrecking 2 such important titles for them.



niallyb

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sidmeiernintifan on 02 February 2014

I think people underestimate Donkey Kong, even the gamecube games which were not real platformers and had drums for controllers sold over 1 million, the last game sold over 6 million on Wii and the port over 1 million on 3DS.
In comparison the last Infamous game sold less than 2 million units.

If you only informed yourself on video games message boards you would think Donkey Kong sells much less than F Zero or Metroid.



eyeofcore on 02 February 2014
Mummelmann said:
eyeofcore said:
pezus said:
eyeofcore said:
pezus said:
Man, it's almost hard to believe how terrible 2013 was for WiiU. Only 7 weeks out of 52 over 100k. I wonder if it can top it this year

Agreed... I expect at least 10 weeks over 100K and why are you wondering about 2014 topping 2013? It will... Wii U has bunch of exclusives for 2014, you got Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, Mario Kart 8, Super Smash Bros U, Yarn Yoshi, Bayonetta 2, Monolith Soft's X, Hyrule Warriors, FAST Racing Neo... Some major third party games for 2014 like The LEGO Movie Video Game, LEGO: The Hobbit, Watch Dogs, Project CARS, The Amazing Spider-Man 2, Child Of Light...

It has now a well enstablished library with games like Zombi U, Wonderful 101, Pikmin 3, Super Mario 3D World, New Super Mario Bros U(+New Super Luigi U DLC), The Legend Of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD, Monster Hunter Tri Ultimate, LEGO City Undercover, Rayman Legends, Wii Party U, Sonic: Lost World, Assassin Creed IV: Black Flag, Call Of Duty: Ghost, Disney Infinity, Resident Evil Revelations...

Then you have backward compatibility with Wii software/library/games thus you can play classics like Super Mario Galaxy 1 and Super Mario Galaxy 2, Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition, Mad World, Okami, No More Heroes 1, No More Heroes 2, Xenoblade Chronicles, The Last Story, Pandora's Tower...

I meant I wonder if it can go 100k+ for more than 7 weeks this time. Donkey Kong won't do it, Yoshi won't do it, Bayonetta won't do it, X won't do it, Hyrule Warriors won't do it etc. Only games that could push it from 30k to 100k+ for a week or more are MK8 and Smash, I think. And Smash might launch just before the holidays, so in reality it could be only on MK8 to improve the number of weeks over 100k over last year.

There's no need to sell me on its library. I probably know more about its games than most people out there. Still doesn't change the fact that this year doesn't begin well.

Okay... It will go a few more weeks over 100K+ than last year...

How can you be sure Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze won't do it? I mean, you see in Week 2 and Week 3 of 2014 are considerably better than Week 2 and Week 3 in 2013 by a good margin thus if things continue to go for the better then DKCTF has a chance to make Wii U sales break 100K+ for one week... Yoshi could do it also do it depending on when its released... Don't underestimate Hyrule Warriors... Musou games are very popular in Japan and have presence in USA and Europe so it has a good chance for week or two to make it break 100K+... X won't do it? Don't make me laugh... It is like saying Final Fantasy/good JRPG game won't make PlayStation 4 go over 100/200K+ for one or two weeks.

What fact? Fact that this year indeed begun well while you try to damage control that fact? Are you ignoring the fact that Wii U sales improved vastly in Week 2 and 3 of 2014 compared to 2013 and that only Week 1 of 2014 was slightly worse than one of 2013 yet when we combine sales of those three weeks of 2013 and 2014 then we see that 2014 is ahead by almost 10% and that is a noticeable jump in sales.

Problem is that people like you are failing to see the value... I would take Wii U any day over PlayStation 4 because the value is just too good to be true.

I can get complete experience from Nintendo for just 300$ while I would need to spend 510$ on Sony or 620 on Microsoft route before having actual fun.


Perceived value is entirely subjective, he could just as easily say that the problem is that you don't see the lack of value in a Wii U and he would be subjectively entirely in the right to do so. Also; why do you need to spend 510$ or 620$ to have actual fun on PS4 and One? Granted; you need software and that costs money but the games that are bundled with a Wii U aren't everyone's favorite like yours, so they might have to go out and buy software as well. You don't have to pay for online either if that was one point. What does "complete experience" mean in this setting, anyway?

It is subjective yet I am being realistic... Wii U is a amazing value for what you get...

My "complete experience" is online multiplayer, patches, social network and piece of software(video game)...

Wii U is 300$ with 1 or 2 games bundled with access to online multiplayer, patches and social network are free

PlayStation 4 is 400$ without any game bundled, access to online multiplayer, patches(?) and social network...

Xbox One is 500$ without any game bundled, access to online multiplayer, patches(?) and social network...

Now add 60$ for a game and another 50-60$ for a premium account per year to have access to online multiplayer, patches(?) and social network. I remember watching a video involving Xbox Live and PlayStation Network and that you could't patch your game without Xbox Live on Xbo 360. If you want to have access to a social network from Microsoft on Xbox 360/Xbox One or from Sony on PlayStation 4 then you need to pay 60 and 50$ a year respectively to have access to these features.

In the end you need to spend 510 for PlayStation 4 or 620 for Xbox One to have the same complete experience as Wii U which is just 300$. People whining about Wii U's price are rather pathetic, acting nitpicky about every cent/dime that they spend... My head hurts when I think about how people rather 510$ just to have fun yet they could on the same budget buy a Wii U bundled with 1 or 2 games and then buy another 3 games that are exclusive to the console like Pikmin 3, Super Mario 3D World and The Legend Of Zelda The Wind Waker HD or bunch of Virtual Console and indie games.

My point is; perceived value is subjective. For instance; in my subjective opinion, all three 8th gen consoles have very poor value right now and the same goes for the vast majority of the software on them, while a lot of people would tell me I'm being ridiculous for buying a 1800$ gaming PC and they would also be correct following the logic of subjective, perceived value.

I agree with you, but at least with 1800$ worth PC you could do way more things than with a console that is 300-400$... Video and CG/CGI rendering, server stuff, hosting multiple games, PC is a multi-purpose device.

When I was talking about Wii U and its value then I was thinking about Wii U's gamepad it self that has own screen, stereo speakers, a microphone, camera then free access to online multiplayer, own social network/features are also free... Also you get one or two games from get go when you buy the system and you can play them or you could sell those two games to recoup the cost of your purchase in case you don't plan on playing them thus you buy a game that you want to play.

Each console has pro's and con's, at least with Wii U you can basically do a lot of things from the get go without any aditional fee's.

What you're essentially doing is attempting to make others conform to your taste and imposing your preferences as a higher standard, this is a complete waste of energy when discussing movies, music and games; there are some objetive criteria on which to judge titles and releases but on the whole, you personal feelings towards a song, film or video game will dictate whether to make a purchase or not, and only very rarely will these objective criteria I mentioned be a factor.

@underlined A big NO... I am just telling what is obvious that people are ignoring or not thinking about.

Edit; you also appear to have severely moderated your expectations and predictions. Not saying that's a bad thing, just pointing out that it makes your tone and analysis based on "research" on the forums only a couple of months back rather silly in very near hindsight.

I have right to change my opinion and estimations yet I don't do it in matters of seconds, minutes or few days like most people... I am not a flip flopper and ofcourse it changed when more information is available... Mario Kart 8 won't be out by March(sadly) and Super Smash Bros U estimated arrival is Q3/Q4. We don't know release date for a lot of software that is to be avaialbe in 2014 for Wii U. I expect a bit too much from Nintendo, I hoped they would do a good old barrage, rapid fire, "flamethrower" move...

Also putting my research as "research" makes you look silly since you didn't consider that more information is now avaialbe and that things are subjected to changes. As I said before, it is based on available information and now more informations are out.





DélioPT on 02 February 2014

Doubling 2013 sales won`t be hard, considering the game drought of last year.
I really believe that with the titles coming this year, Wii U can do even better. And if they can solve the brand confusion thing before Mario Kart hits, so much the better!



DonFerrari on 02 February 2014
eyeofcore said:
Mummelmann said:
eyeofcore said:
pezus said:
eyeofcore said:
pezus said:
Man, it's almost hard to believe how terrible 2013 was for WiiU. Only 7 weeks out of 52 over 100k. I wonder if it can top it this year

Agreed... I expect at least 10 weeks over 100K and why are you wondering about 2014 topping 2013? It will... Wii U has bunch of exclusives for 2014, you got Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, Mario Kart 8, Super Smash Bros U, Yarn Yoshi, Bayonetta 2, Monolith Soft's X, Hyrule Warriors, FAST Racing Neo... Some major third party games for 2014 like The LEGO Movie Video Game, LEGO: The Hobbit, Watch Dogs, Project CARS, The Amazing Spider-Man 2, Child Of Light...

It has now a well enstablished library with games like Zombi U, Wonderful 101, Pikmin 3, Super Mario 3D World, New Super Mario Bros U(+New Super Luigi U DLC), The Legend Of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD, Monster Hunter Tri Ultimate, LEGO City Undercover, Rayman Legends, Wii Party U, Sonic: Lost World, Assassin Creed IV: Black Flag, Call Of Duty: Ghost, Disney Infinity, Resident Evil Revelations...

Then you have backward compatibility with Wii software/library/games thus you can play classics like Super Mario Galaxy 1 and Super Mario Galaxy 2, Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition, Mad World, Okami, No More Heroes 1, No More Heroes 2, Xenoblade Chronicles, The Last Story, Pandora's Tower...

I meant I wonder if it can go 100k+ for more than 7 weeks this time. Donkey Kong won't do it, Yoshi won't do it, Bayonetta won't do it, X won't do it, Hyrule Warriors won't do it etc. Only games that could push it from 30k to 100k+ for a week or more are MK8 and Smash, I think. And Smash might launch just before the holidays, so in reality it could be only on MK8 to improve the number of weeks over 100k over last year.

There's no need to sell me on its library. I probably know more about its games than most people out there. Still doesn't change the fact that this year doesn't begin well.

Okay... It will go a few more weeks over 100K+ than last year...

How can you be sure Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze won't do it? I mean, you see in Week 2 and Week 3 of 2014 are considerably better than Week 2 and Week 3 in 2013 by a good margin thus if things continue to go for the better then DKCTF has a chance to make Wii U sales break 100K+ for one week... Yoshi could do it also do it depending on when its released... Don't underestimate Hyrule Warriors... Musou games are very popular in Japan and have presence in USA and Europe so it has a good chance for week or two to make it break 100K+... X won't do it? Don't make me laugh... It is like saying Final Fantasy/good JRPG game won't make PlayStation 4 go over 100/200K+ for one or two weeks.

What fact? Fact that this year indeed begun well while you try to damage control that fact? Are you ignoring the fact that Wii U sales improved vastly in Week 2 and 3 of 2014 compared to 2013 and that only Week 1 of 2014 was slightly worse than one of 2013 yet when we combine sales of those three weeks of 2013 and 2014 then we see that 2014 is ahead by almost 10% and that is a noticeable jump in sales.

Problem is that people like you are failing to see the value... I would take Wii U any day over PlayStation 4 because the value is just too good to be true.

I can get complete experience from Nintendo for just 300$ while I would need to spend 510$ on Sony or 620 on Microsoft route before having actual fun.


Perceived value is entirely subjective, he could just as easily say that the problem is that you don't see the lack of value in a Wii U and he would be subjectively entirely in the right to do so. Also; why do you need to spend 510$ or 620$ to have actual fun on PS4 and One? Granted; you need software and that costs money but the games that are bundled with a Wii U aren't everyone's favorite like yours, so they might have to go out and buy software as well. You don't have to pay for online either if that was one point. What does "complete experience" mean in this setting, anyway?

It is subjective yet I am being realistic... Wii U is a amazing value for what you get...

My "complete experience" is online multiplayer, patches, social network and piece of software(video game)...

Wii U is 300$ with 1 or 2 games bundled with access to online multiplayer, patches and social network are free

PlayStation 4 is 400$ without any game bundled, access to online multiplayer, patches(?) and social network...

Xbox One is 500$ without any game bundled, access to online multiplayer, patches(?) and social network...

Now add 60$ for a game and another 50-60$ for a premium account per year to have access to online multiplayer, patches(?) and social network. I remember watching a video involving Xbox Live and PlayStation Network and that you could't patch your game without Xbox Live on Xbo 360. If you want to have access to a social network from Microsoft on Xbox 360/Xbox One or from Sony on PlayStation 4 then you need to pay 60 and 50$ a year respectively to have access to these features.

In the end you need to spend 510 for PlayStation 4 or 620 for Xbox One to have the same complete experience as Wii U which is just 300$. People whining about Wii U's price are rather pathetic, acting nitpicky about every cent/dime that they spend... My head hurts when I think about how people rather 510$ just to have fun yet they could on the same budget buy a Wii U bundled with 1 or 2 games and then buy another 3 games that are exclusive to the console like Pikmin 3, Super Mario 3D World and The Legend Of Zelda The Wind Waker HD or bunch of Virtual Console and indie games.

My point is; perceived value is subjective. For instance; in my subjective opinion, all three 8th gen consoles have very poor value right now and the same goes for the vast majority of the software on them, while a lot of people would tell me I'm being ridiculous for buying a 1800$ gaming PC and they would also be correct following the logic of subjective, perceived value.

I agree with you, but at least with 1800$ worth PC you could do way more things than with a console that is 300-400$... Video and CG/CGI rendering, server stuff, hosting multiple games, PC is a multi-purpose device.

When I was talking about Wii U and its value then I was thinking about Wii U's gamepad it self that has own screen, stereo speakers, a microphone, camera then free access to online multiplayer, own social network/features are also free... Also you get one or two games from get go when you buy the system and you can play them or you could sell those two games to recoup the cost of your purchase in case you don't plan on playing them thus you buy a game that you want to play.

Each console has pro's and con's, at least with Wii U you can basically do a lot of things from the get go without any aditional fee's.

What you're essentially doing is attempting to make others conform to your taste and imposing your preferences as a higher standard, this is a complete waste of energy when discussing movies, music and games; there are some objetive criteria on which to judge titles and releases but on the whole, you personal feelings towards a song, film or video game will dictate whether to make a purchase or not, and only very rarely will these objective criteria I mentioned be a factor.

@underlined A big NO... I am just telling what is obvious that people are ignoring or not thinking about.

Edit; you also appear to have severely moderated your expectations and predictions. Not saying that's a bad thing, just pointing out that it makes your tone and analysis based on "research" on the forums only a couple of months back rather silly in very near hindsight.

I have right to change my opinion and estimations yet I don't do it in matters of seconds, minutes or few days like most people... I am not a flip flopper and ofcourse it changed when more information is available... Mario Kart 8 won't be out by March(sadly) and Super Smash Bros U estimated arrival is Q3/Q4. We don't know release date for a lot of software that is to be avaialbe in 2014 for Wii U. I expect a bit too much from Nintendo, I hoped they would do a good old barrage, rapid fire, "flamethrower" move...

Also putting my research as "research" makes you look silly since you didn't consider that more information is now avaialbe and that things are subjected to changes. As I said before, it is based on available information and now more informations are out.



I'll just remember you one thing... if you want to put 1 game+ MP fee on the count for "complete experience" for PS4/Xbone to make WiiU see more valuable... then you have to count all the free games you have on Plus and Games for Gold. So how much would cost 10-20 games for WiiU?

About patches and social, that is free on PS4, not sure on One... the only thing you pay for in PSN+ is Multiplayer, free games and discounts. Everything else is free.



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eyeofcore on 03 February 2014
DonFerrari said:
 

I'll just remember you one thing... if you want to put 1 game+ MP fee on the count for "complete experience" for PS4/Xbone to make WiiU see more valuable... then you have to count all the free games you have on Plus and Games for Gold. So how much would cost 10-20 games for WiiU?

I am not making Wii U see more valuable, I am just being factual and you just don't like it.

All "free" games on PlayStation Plus/Games for Gold are relatively old games that are released a couple or more months ago and by then you can get those games in a retail store at bargain bin rather than price of a new game just released for 60$ . You "own" these games that you get on PlayStation Plus and Games for Gold  "forever" yet don't you lose all of them if you forgot or can't pay up 60$ a year for PlayStation Plus/Xbox Live(Games For Gold) account?

About patches and social, that is free on PS4, not sure on One... the only thing you pay for in PSN+ is Multiplayer, free games and discounts. Everything else is free.

You need to stop saying free games because they aren't free at all to begin with and on Wii U you can earn eShop points by purchasing games on eShop and when you have enough points then you can select to use those points to reduce price of that piece of software.

Anyway you are probably one of those people on PlayStation Vita that buy no games or just buy games for it that are on bargain bin and also pay PlayStation Plus wait for "free games" just because they are too nitpicky at spending money on games or are in fact poor or something. Thanks for not supporting developers at all, please force them to cut more content from games and make more overpriced DLC rip-offs because you enjoy it.