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eyeofcore on 02 February 2014
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Mummelmann said:
eyeofcore said:
pezus said:
eyeofcore said:
pezus said:
Man, it's almost hard to believe how terrible 2013 was for WiiU. Only 7 weeks out of 52 over 100k. I wonder if it can top it this year

Agreed... I expect at least 10 weeks over 100K and why are you wondering about 2014 topping 2013? It will... Wii U has bunch of exclusives for 2014, you got Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, Mario Kart 8, Super Smash Bros U, Yarn Yoshi, Bayonetta 2, Monolith Soft's X, Hyrule Warriors, FAST Racing Neo... Some major third party games for 2014 like The LEGO Movie Video Game, LEGO: The Hobbit, Watch Dogs, Project CARS, The Amazing Spider-Man 2, Child Of Light...

It has now a well enstablished library with games like Zombi U, Wonderful 101, Pikmin 3, Super Mario 3D World, New Super Mario Bros U(+New Super Luigi U DLC), The Legend Of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD, Monster Hunter Tri Ultimate, LEGO City Undercover, Rayman Legends, Wii Party U, Sonic: Lost World, Assassin Creed IV: Black Flag, Call Of Duty: Ghost, Disney Infinity, Resident Evil Revelations...

Then you have backward compatibility with Wii software/library/games thus you can play classics like Super Mario Galaxy 1 and Super Mario Galaxy 2, Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition, Mad World, Okami, No More Heroes 1, No More Heroes 2, Xenoblade Chronicles, The Last Story, Pandora's Tower...

I meant I wonder if it can go 100k+ for more than 7 weeks this time. Donkey Kong won't do it, Yoshi won't do it, Bayonetta won't do it, X won't do it, Hyrule Warriors won't do it etc. Only games that could push it from 30k to 100k+ for a week or more are MK8 and Smash, I think. And Smash might launch just before the holidays, so in reality it could be only on MK8 to improve the number of weeks over 100k over last year.

There's no need to sell me on its library. I probably know more about its games than most people out there. Still doesn't change the fact that this year doesn't begin well.

Okay... It will go a few more weeks over 100K+ than last year...

How can you be sure Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze won't do it? I mean, you see in Week 2 and Week 3 of 2014 are considerably better than Week 2 and Week 3 in 2013 by a good margin thus if things continue to go for the better then DKCTF has a chance to make Wii U sales break 100K+ for one week... Yoshi could do it also do it depending on when its released... Don't underestimate Hyrule Warriors... Musou games are very popular in Japan and have presence in USA and Europe so it has a good chance for week or two to make it break 100K+... X won't do it? Don't make me laugh... It is like saying Final Fantasy/good JRPG game won't make PlayStation 4 go over 100/200K+ for one or two weeks.

What fact? Fact that this year indeed begun well while you try to damage control that fact? Are you ignoring the fact that Wii U sales improved vastly in Week 2 and 3 of 2014 compared to 2013 and that only Week 1 of 2014 was slightly worse than one of 2013 yet when we combine sales of those three weeks of 2013 and 2014 then we see that 2014 is ahead by almost 10% and that is a noticeable jump in sales.

Problem is that people like you are failing to see the value... I would take Wii U any day over PlayStation 4 because the value is just too good to be true.

I can get complete experience from Nintendo for just 300$ while I would need to spend 510$ on Sony or 620 on Microsoft route before having actual fun.


Perceived value is entirely subjective, he could just as easily say that the problem is that you don't see the lack of value in a Wii U and he would be subjectively entirely in the right to do so. Also; why do you need to spend 510$ or 620$ to have actual fun on PS4 and One? Granted; you need software and that costs money but the games that are bundled with a Wii U aren't everyone's favorite like yours, so they might have to go out and buy software as well. You don't have to pay for online either if that was one point. What does "complete experience" mean in this setting, anyway?

It is subjective yet I am being realistic... Wii U is a amazing value for what you get...

My "complete experience" is online multiplayer, patches, social network and piece of software(video game)...

Wii U is 300$ with 1 or 2 games bundled with access to online multiplayer, patches and social network are free

PlayStation 4 is 400$ without any game bundled, access to online multiplayer, patches(?) and social network...

Xbox One is 500$ without any game bundled, access to online multiplayer, patches(?) and social network...

Now add 60$ for a game and another 50-60$ for a premium account per year to have access to online multiplayer, patches(?) and social network. I remember watching a video involving Xbox Live and PlayStation Network and that you could't patch your game without Xbox Live on Xbo 360. If you want to have access to a social network from Microsoft on Xbox 360/Xbox One or from Sony on PlayStation 4 then you need to pay 60 and 50$ a year respectively to have access to these features.

In the end you need to spend 510 for PlayStation 4 or 620 for Xbox One to have the same complete experience as Wii U which is just 300$. People whining about Wii U's price are rather pathetic, acting nitpicky about every cent/dime that they spend... My head hurts when I think about how people rather 510$ just to have fun yet they could on the same budget buy a Wii U bundled with 1 or 2 games and then buy another 3 games that are exclusive to the console like Pikmin 3, Super Mario 3D World and The Legend Of Zelda The Wind Waker HD or bunch of Virtual Console and indie games.

My point is; perceived value is subjective. For instance; in my subjective opinion, all three 8th gen consoles have very poor value right now and the same goes for the vast majority of the software on them, while a lot of people would tell me I'm being ridiculous for buying a 1800$ gaming PC and they would also be correct following the logic of subjective, perceived value.

I agree with you, but at least with 1800$ worth PC you could do way more things than with a console that is 300-400$... Video and CG/CGI rendering, server stuff, hosting multiple games, PC is a multi-purpose device.

When I was talking about Wii U and its value then I was thinking about Wii U's gamepad it self that has own screen, stereo speakers, a microphone, camera then free access to online multiplayer, own social network/features are also free... Also you get one or two games from get go when you buy the system and you can play them or you could sell those two games to recoup the cost of your purchase in case you don't plan on playing them thus you buy a game that you want to play.

Each console has pro's and con's, at least with Wii U you can basically do a lot of things from the get go without any aditional fee's.

What you're essentially doing is attempting to make others conform to your taste and imposing your preferences as a higher standard, this is a complete waste of energy when discussing movies, music and games; there are some objetive criteria on which to judge titles and releases but on the whole, you personal feelings towards a song, film or video game will dictate whether to make a purchase or not, and only very rarely will these objective criteria I mentioned be a factor.

@underlined A big NO... I am just telling what is obvious that people are ignoring or not thinking about.

Edit; you also appear to have severely moderated your expectations and predictions. Not saying that's a bad thing, just pointing out that it makes your tone and analysis based on "research" on the forums only a couple of months back rather silly in very near hindsight.

I have right to change my opinion and estimations yet I don't do it in matters of seconds, minutes or few days like most people... I am not a flip flopper and ofcourse it changed when more information is available... Mario Kart 8 won't be out by March(sadly) and Super Smash Bros U estimated arrival is Q3/Q4. We don't know release date for a lot of software that is to be avaialbe in 2014 for Wii U. I expect a bit too much from Nintendo, I hoped they would do a good old barrage, rapid fire, "flamethrower" move...

Also putting my research as "research" makes you look silly since you didn't consider that more information is now avaialbe and that things are subjected to changes. As I said before, it is based on available information and now more informations are out.