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DucksUnlimited on 10 January 2014
superchunk said:
BeElite said:

Yes NInty is the hero of gamers and MS Sony just want to hurt gaming, sure lol.  

Ea does what Ea does Sony getting into some big fight with them would be utterly moronic.  Its the consumer that decides what works what does not (MS X1 policies), if people are buying Ea games no matter what ever crap policies they come up with its on them not Sony or MS.  Who are you to say Ea is wrong if peopel are buying their product, you just favor a lesser evil nothing more.   

Yes they are a gaming company, and theres is no doubt in my mind they would be just as good if they did not make hardware.  As you put it Ea would hurt gamers while Ninty would release their freeom ideals on all the consoels PC tablets smartphones where ever and be just fine.

 Nins desicions have nothing to do with protecting gamers, they are protecting their own $$$$.  I get many here are ardent Ninty supoorters even if its to the extrem but get real they are in it to profit nothing more.   Did you forget the way they pissed on gamers and went all waggle casual showelware on the wii all in the name of profits ?

1) Protecting gamers is akin to protecting the gaming market which is their sole interest. They did that with Nintendo Seal of Quality, they do that now in trying to force an approach that is not the same as the iOS/Android store approach which is where EA and others are trying to push to.

2) waggle and Wii did not harm gamers. It offered a very great platform for a very low cost to everyone. Problem is everyone seem bent on forcing up costs on on everything... from content creation, to consumer costs, etc.

Basically 3rd parties are in it for squezing every last penny out and not in the healhty way by making quality products that last. Instead they want quick short-lived product that you'll be micro-charged for forever.

Nintendo sees this as the new death of the industry because its bad for the gamer and will result on long-term market declines.

You clearly aren't aware of the numerous shady business practices that Nintendo has used to its advantage. To suggest that they're trying to protect gamers or the industry is laughable.



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Soleron on 10 January 2014
DucksUnlimited said:
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Nintendo sees this as the new death of the industry because its bad for the gamer and will result on long-term market declines.

You clearly aren't aware of the numerous shady business practices that Nintendo has used to its advantage. To suggest that they're trying to protect gamers or the industry is laughable.

They're protecting themselves and the market's viability in the long-term. EA only think about next quarter's results.

Suppose 3D World released on phones for $5. Would it make next quarter amazing? Yes. But Nintendo wouldn't be able to continue to sell their Mario games at $60 on a $300 console. Even with all the investor and media pressure, Nintendo know it would ultimately damage themselves to go to smartphones.



BeElite on 10 January 2014
RolStoppable said:

BeElite said:

Id easly place most blame on ninty for Japan consolse gaming.

Lets face the truth Wii was not for everyone, it hurt the market.  Given the previous one was about 30million under Sony dommination, and dropped under Nin to 24.  Though its not all their falt, PS3 price and pain to dev on hurt japanese devs and publishers ability to profit.

Wii was not the console of chocie for 3rd parties while Sony one was a expensive bitch to dev for and had a smaller user base, wii PS3 splitting the marlet 12is/9ish also hurt.  It was just so much easier to Dev and release on the domminating PS2 and it was easy to port to GC.

I see PS4 bringing back the Market to glory, price is just soooo much better and its easier to dev on plus a single console domminating a Sony one will make things much easier for 3rd parties to succeed.  Responcibility also falls on the Japan devs and publishers, they need to get their shit together.  They been buns for long enough.

 

That's a very skewed perspective. The Wii hurt the market, because it sold? In what way? You already acknowledged that it didn't take away the third party support from anyone else.


As is yours id say.  It hurt the 3rd partys market by limiting their ability to sale on a big user base, it limited PS3 sales.  

Ninty success does not mean game market success, some people need to get over the 80s.  Best thing for reviving Japan 3rd party sales and over all console gaming is PS4 dommination, they need a conosle which 3rd partys are supported appreciated helped and historically do great on.  Its sony that ushered in the biggest console growth and 3rd party success, not ninty.



NobleTeam360 on 10 January 2014

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BeElite on 10 January 2014
RolStoppable said:
BeElite said:

As is yours id say.  It hurt the 3rd partys market by limiting their ability to sale on a big user base, it limited PS3 sales.  

Ninty success does not mean game market success, some people need to get over the 80s.  Best thing for reviving Japan 3rd party sales and over all console gaming is PS4 dommination, they need a conosle which 3rd partys are supported appreciated helped and historically do great on.  Its sony that ushered in the biggest console growth and 3rd party success, not ninty.

Third parties limited themselves by not developing for the console that the market chose.


Had nothing to do with the fact Ninty does a shit job working with 3rd parties.



Multishanks on 10 January 2014
BeElite said:
RolStoppable said:
BeElite said:

As is yours id say.  It hurt the 3rd partys market by limiting their ability to sale on a big user base, it limited PS3 sales.  

Ninty success does not mean game market success, some people need to get over the 80s.  Best thing for reviving Japan 3rd party sales and over all console gaming is PS4 dommination, they need a conosle which 3rd partys are supported appreciated helped and historically do great on.  Its sony that ushered in the biggest console growth and 3rd party success, not ninty.

Third parties limited themselves by not developing for the console that the market chose.


Had nothing to do with the fact Ninty does a shit job working with 3rd parties.


You are only right if you meant western third parties.  

 

And the onus is still on them to produce what the market is looking for and they chose to go against that and make token efforts/cash grabs.  



MikeRox on 10 January 2014

Third parties made the decision to write off the Wii in 2005/2006 prior to release and completely missed it's potential to resonate with a wider audience.

This is why third party software was all so poor in the early days of the Wii back when gamers in particular were still hungry for Wii software. By the time they'd realised there was a huge market on Wii and started to make proper games for it, the 2-3 year development cycle of the software meant they had missed their chance.

"Hardcore gamers" had already given up on the Wii for anything beyond Nintendo software and the new "casual" gamers didn't give a crap about those games.

So while Nintendo have never really been great with their 3rd party relationships, a lot of the 3rd party issues on Wii lie squarely at the foot of the 3rd party developers.



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FlamingWeazel on 10 January 2014
MikeRox said:
Third parties made the decision to write off the Wii in 2005/2006 prior to release and completely missed it's potential to resonate with a wider audience.

This is why third party software was all so poor in the early days of the Wii back when gamers in particular were still hungry for Wii software. By the time they'd realised there was a huge market on Wii and started to make proper games for it, the 2-3 year development cycle of the software meant they had missed their chance.

"Hardcore gamers" had already given up on the Wii for anything beyond Nintendo software and the new "casual" gamers didn't give a crap about those games.

So while Nintendo have never really been great with their 3rd party relationships, a lot of the 3rd party issues on Wii lie squarely at the foot of the 3rd party developers.


No the onus is on Nintendo to harness third party support and NO ONE slse, this is all nintendos doing.



MikeRox on 10 January 2014

Third parties make their own decisions as to what they are going to develop for. If they choose to write off a system prior to release because it's doomed, that's their decision.

After the N64 and GameCube, I highly doubt there was much Nintendo could have done beyond what they did to encourage third parties to make Wii games for the launch period.



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